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My demise in Bodog 100K. How can I play it better?

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  1. zdepew2000 zdepew2000 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 1:59pm)

    I know there's a high-five thread to thelandlord for winning. I'm not really concerned with whether his play was correct, just mine.

    $100 buy-in. 710 people. 5 left.

    Me-480K

    Rufrider-440K

    Player C-340K

    Player D-300K

    Player E-150K

    Blinds are 6K/12K w/1k ante. I'm in the big blind with AdKd. Rufrider(fairly aggressive) raises to 40K. All others fold. What's your move?
     
  2. The Enid Kid The Enid Kid is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 2:18pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    IMO, flat call and hope you hit the flop. If you don't get three spades or A/K, fold if he bets. If he's that aggressive, he may put you in further than you'd like, especially if you are on a draw post-flop. I'm probably way too cautious on this, tho, cuz I have gone out too many times in just this type of scenario.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 2:21pm) in reply to The Enid Kid

    if he's anywhere near "fairly aggressive", im 3x'ing his raise. if he shoves im a little bummed but im almost definitely calling
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 2:34pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    if hes agressive im raising to 150k and calling shove

    if hes very tight im calling and check folding a whiff

    i wonder if raising and then folding is out of the question?

    tough spot because u guys are pretty deepstacked]

    results?
     
  5. zdepew2000 zdepew2000 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:22pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    For some reason, I decided to push. He called with 8's and I bricked out and lost.

    Looking back, I can see a raise to 135Kish or a smooth call and see what develops.
     
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:25pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    not a huge fan of his call but i suppose he saw ur overshove as scared and pretty polarized as AK , dunno if im risking u turning over a better pair though so deepstacked
     
  7. zdepew2000 zdepew2000 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:32pm) in reply to The Caretaker

    I was definitely shocked with the call, but I guess the overshove screams AK.
     
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  8. Rushstreet07 Rushstreet07 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:39pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    You have to win races to win a large field tournament. Don't beat your self up over it. If you raise 3 times he may still shove, he may fold, you'll never know. If an ace or king comes for you, you wouldn't be making this post. That being said, if I have 10 10 - KK in your spot I am overshoving just like you did hoping to be called by exactly what he had... questionable call but I guess he felt like gambling - being a "slight favorite" was the BEST he could hope for and he could very easily of been crushed.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:43pm) in reply to Rushstreet07

    Since we are analyzing the hand though, it would be interesting to know what cards came out on the flop, turn, river... if we knew those then its easier to discuss various scenarios based on a smooth call or smaller raise preflop. For instance, if you raise him 3 times and he calls and the board comes Q 10 X.... you have 2 overs and a gut shot and you are first to act. If you C-bet he should fold 88 based on what your preflop raise is reprsenting.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:43pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    This is a tough spot. You are both deepstacked and have all other players at the table covered by at least 100k. Here is a spot to just call and proceed cautiously for me. By shoving, you are trying to add 63k chips to a 480k chip stack. Not very necessary given the other stack sizes. If you had your Ace or King, check raise, if you miss, check fold. Only 40k chips lost instead of 440k.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:46pm) in reply to Rushstreet07

    Zach,

    Rushstreet had easily the best response. Ak is a monster 5 handed. I can't see doing anything but shoving there except maybe making it 150K and then shoving any flop.

    CONGRATS on the nice finish

    A.J.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 3:48pm) in reply to zdepew2000

     
    Originally Posted by zdepew2000 View Post

    Rufrider(fairly aggressive) raises to 40K.

    5 handed AKdd?? you can't flat call imo.. you need to reraise, if he 3 bets so be it... You both have big stacks and he knows that... flat calling will just enable him to outplay you on the flop if you miss.... i'd probably bet $120-$140k to give him the picture that you're not going anywhere so he either has to fold or shove. If he shoves I probably snap call. If you win this hand you it will be damn hard to lose the tourney.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 4:11pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    i dont care if the guy is the biggest nit ever, with 40 bbs 5 handed u need to be getting this in preflop. reraise to 140kish and call a shove. if he flats (which would obv be horrendous), i'd lead any flop for ~half my stack and call off the rest.

    and yes his call is vbad imo. ur reshove isnt horrible, just ul he called and u lost the race.

    gg
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 4:18pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

     
    Originally Posted by AJKHoosier1 View Post

    if he flats (which would obv be horrendous)

    I agree but I see this all the time.
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 4:24pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    Rushstreet, It was close. It was actually Q-9-4?

    Thanks for all the responses everyone.
     
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  16. zdepew2000 zdepew2000 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 4:27pm) in reply to RandyLerch

    Thanks AJ
     
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 4:42pm) in reply to zdepew2000

    125k and call a shove, dunno if he calls
     
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 5:05pm) in reply to Rushstreet07

    I am also surprised he made it 40k preflop, over 3x bb...weird
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    Apr 14th, 2008 (4/14/2008 7:37pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    glad to see i think like a pro sometimes ^
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