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Ok, I'll start by saying johndough87 is a friend of mine, and most of the time his is a good player, but recently he's been telling me all these bad beat stories, i'm beginning to think he's got a leak. Your honest thoughts and opinions are more than welcome.
there are like 75 people left 6 hours deep in 5 dollar rebuy on stars.
winner gets like 5k.
PokerStars Game #35590967214: Tournament #229010674, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (3500/7000) - 2009/11/19 21:48:31 ET
Table '229010674 127' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jelly of war (162528 in chips)
Seat 2: beaver47 (313495 in chips)
Seat 3: dudi0918 (37460 in chips)
Seat 4: Seahawk107 (296970 in chips)
Seat 5: Lambo5000 (204863 in chips)
Seat 6: -gerryzz- (84832 in chips)
Seat 7: granit33 (321545 in chips)
Seat 8: MiaLauren (116350 in chips)
Seat 9: JohnDough87 (88301 in chips)
jelly of war: posts the ante 875
beaver47: posts the ante 875
dudi0918: posts the ante 875
Seahawk107: posts the ante 875
Lambo5000: posts the ante 875
-gerryzz-: posts the ante 875
granit33: posts the ante 875
MiaLauren: posts the ante 875
JohnDough87: posts the ante 875
-gerryzz-: posts small blind 3500
granit33: posts big blind 7000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MiaLauren: folds
JohnDough87: raises 12999 to 19999
jelly of war: calls 19999
beaver47: folds
dudi0918: folds
Seahawk107: folds
Lambo5000: folds
-gerryzz-: folds
granit33: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 5c Qd]
JohnDough87: checks
jelly of war: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 5c Qd] [As]
JohnDough87: bets 28000
jelly of war: calls 28000
*** RIVER *** [Kd 5c Qd As] [Th]
JohnDough87: bets 39427 and is all-in
jelly of war: calls 39427
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JohnDough87: shows [Js Kh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
jelly of war: shows [Jh Ts] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
JohnDough87 collected 96614 from pot
jelly of war collected 96613 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 193227 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 5c Qd As Th]
Seat 1: jelly of war showed [Jh Ts] and won (96613) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: beaver47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dudi0918 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Seahawk107 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Lambo5000 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: -gerryzz- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: granit33 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: MiaLauren folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JohnDough87 showed [Js Kh] and won (96614) with a straight, Ten to Ace
IMO he should have simply pushed flop. no use in thinking about it too much.
johdough tells me I'm wrong.
I was on the phone with him during the hand, and prior to the flop he said he was pushing almost any flop....
obv he got totally lucky on river. he defended his play with this text after he hung up on me:
"He's seen me check fold 3 times in a row, there's no reason I shouldn't let him bet a small pair. I'm afraid of 4 cards on the flop. I'll take my chances against a maniac. I would have bet there vs anybody else at the table."
I think he's giving five dollar players too much credit first off for thinking the guy is paying attention to folds, also he said that that guy would have called a shove on flop. I say thats great, he has eight outs all the more reason to push.
Love to hear what you guys have to say about it, this is my first post. -
You'd be right. I know it's questionable to play based on buy-in/level, but in a 5$ rebuy, don't try to use level 2/3 thinking when evaluating your plays.
If you need to shove, shove, and don't be surprised when a dumbshit (priced-in?) chaser bites you in the ass. We've all had it happen, and it's not a conspiracy, nor is it 'fate.'
Welcome to P5. We're cooler than 2+2 IMO :D -
With a stack that short, I'd probably fold KJo in early position preflop. If I was going to play it, I would open/shove allin. There's not much point in just raising 1/4 of your stack with a bad hand out of position. Most hands that call will be better than KJo, and you'll be playing out of position on the flop.
As it is, he needs to shove on that flop every time. What else is he waiting for? Trying to induce a bluff is a fine play, when you have enough chips to play around with. As it is, your friend has so few chips he can't be messing around... he needs to be looking for a spot to get it in and either cause his opponent to fold, or double up.
A lot of poker players will refuse to listen to the advice of others, especially when that advice is critical. It sounds like your friend doesn't want to listen to reason, and he's going to stubbornly continue to play in a manner that loses him money. You might be better off either letting him learn the hard way, or convincing him to read some books on the subject. Almost anything you pick up will tell you KJo is a terrible hand from earluy position. :)
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