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My last live $1/$2 of the day

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  1. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 10:23pm)

    Ok, here is a hand that I played. I was disgusted (not sure with myself or just luck) at the end of it, so just decided to leave as opposed to steaming off more money. Did I play this bad, or is it just sick.

    Cutoff with AA. Guy in mp raises to $15, normally I repop this, but this guy is a maniac. Has $300 in front, and is a guarantee cbet on almost every flop (if he misses completely, he may check if gets a lot of callers, 1-2 is guarantee, not only that, he bets every street at that point whether he hits or not, and with any piece of the board, won't fold. I've been waiting for a premium to mess with him. If I raise, he likely folds his hand range. If I flat, i probably get at least one other caller. I chance and flat, unfortunately the button and sb call, so does the bb villian (we both are sitting with $600 in front, nutty villian $300, everyone else $200 or less.

    Flop is K72 2 diamonds, 1 club. checks around to nutjob who checks, I throw out $25, bb calls, everyone else folds.

    Turn is an A clubs. BB checks, I bet $50. He could be on the flush draw, could have a king here. I feel a mile ahead, and the beauty is, I really think he'll either fire out at most rivers, or check/call if he feels he has showdown. If he calls here, I think I'm getting more on the river. If he folds, I have a nice pot. I'm also thinking he could raise, we haven't tangled much lately, he had been willing to push here on smaller stacks, but with us both up nice at the table, he might not play that way here. He flats.

    10 clubs river. 2 draws potentially hit, but backdoor flush and straight draws are unlikely. But, he could think that's a scare card.

    He leads for $140. I'm not folding. Looking at it, I either raise or call. Raising is scary because I really don't want to call if he pushes over the top, but I can't raise/fold here. I also don't think there are many hands he has that he'll want to call here with (have to think any huge hands like sets he would have raised on the turn with). I flat.

    Obvious outcome (will post later). But, where did I go wrong here. Is this just a spot where I have to raise pre to shrink the field, and possibly let the nutjob off the hook? If I play this way, does it make sense to ever slow down, or play the river differently?

    Interested in responses. I will say limping preflop is contraversial, but in this spot, I think it was right, I just can't see picking up a small pot when I got a guy who hits a pair and possibly gives me $300. If he hits and it holds, I can live with that. I just hate giving the money potentially to the only other big stack at the table.
  2. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 10:44pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    as gross as this is it may actually be a fold. a lot of players are simply never bluffing here. the only question remains is what 2 pair combos is he doing this with. for example if he has a hand like A7 or A2 is he ever taking this line, what about KT, or even perhaps a lower set that was just played strangely...if you don't think he does this with the 2 pair or sets, then it's def a fold. he prolly has KXcc or QJdd quite a lot here
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  3. leakinmoney leakinmoney is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 10:50pm) in reply to Gags30

    Disagree that its a fold, ur saying most players arent going to turn two diamonds into a bluff on a scare river card? I think pre is ok given read, but flop is way too small, and turn is also massively undersized
     
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 11:47pm) in reply to leakinmoney

    leak, you say the flop/turn are massively undersized, what was the proper sizing here? Also, how do I react then to various actions by the bb (I'll assume since everyone else folded to $25, they would have equally folded to a larger bet)
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  5. leakinmoney leakinmoney is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 12:27am) in reply to lordxixor101

    assuming im reading the hh corectly there should be $75 in the pot going to the flop... so on the flop id bet 45-50 and as played on the turn id bet around 85-90...
     
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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 1:40am) in reply to leakinmoney

    leak, so if I put in $50 on the flop, if I'm flatted, your saying $90 on the turn, if I'm doing that, how do I handle if he leads on the river for $200 or so? Do I call with my set? If he decides to raise me on either the flop or the turn, how should I handle that (my guess is that I'm probably reraising huge on the turn, but what about the flop)?

    I'm really curious, I have been a pretty good low stakes tournament player online, and had some success in small live tournaments last year, but I've always struggled with cash, and I think it's really my one hand a session that goes like this. I feel there is always one questionable hand every session, and if I just eliminated that, I think I'd be a solid winning player at this level.
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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 1:46am) in reply to lordxixor101

    Agree with Gags here. You have to have a reason to believe the villain is capable of bluffing the scare card or betting out with 2 pair or set. Only reason to raise would be if you think the villain might fold a straight or small flush. With about $350 in the pot you'd probably have to shove to do it.

    I don't disagree with flatting the flop from the cutoff. Your reasoning seems sound to me. You ended up with the worst case scenario but with AA it's not all that much worse.
  8. satchmo satchmo is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 4:46am) in reply to MarkH

    I think you should have thrown out the quasi-min raise to $30. prices everybody else out (and who cares, you have aces) and doesn't allow the maniac to fold (it's a min raise ffs)
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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 5:22am) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    as gross as this is it may actually be a fold. a lot of players are simply never bluffing here. the only question remains is what 2 pair combos is he doing this with. for example if he has a hand like A7 or A2 is he ever taking this line, what about KT, or even perhaps a lower set that was just played strangely...if you don't think he does this with the 2 pair or sets, then it's def a fold. he prolly has KXcc or QJdd quite a lot here

    seems about right.
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