Wondering if I could have/should have played this different. 42 left in touney 27 pay. I have 72k at 12/2400. The big blind has less than 20bbs. Pralad Friedman has the button with a CL stack. I pick up AJhh and make it 7,200 from high jack. He makes it 20k total, and I shove (again 72k) total.

My problem with the hand is two fold. First, I dont have much FE. He is getting just under 2 to 1 to make the call and he has the chips to do it. However, based on his aggressive play when I looked down at AJ I initially, I really felt raise/folding was too weak and unprofitable in the long run. FWIW flop comes K72hh and I miss. Maybe he would have folded had I flat his 3 bet and shoved flop. I did have a pretty tight image, that was the first time I had been all in the entire tourney, as well as the first time I had 4 bet at a table with Pralad. Thoughts?

I read your busto hand in the WPT webpage yesterday, and as I was reading, my first thought was flat-shove flop if you hit any piece of it or a draw, and give up if you completely miss it, leaving yourself with 22 effective BBs. Maybe this is spewy and a leak of mine, but that was my first thought on the hand.

Of course it all depends on his ability to 3-bet with air. If he is capable of doing so, then your shove is optimal, but I don't think he is betting 20K/folding to shove. These live donks are tighter than us, and for that same reason I think a post-flop shove is better against them.

seems completely standard sir

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

I read your busto hand in the WPT webpage yesterday, and as I was reading, my first thought was flat-shove flop if you hit any piece of it or a draw, and give up if you completely miss it, leaving yourself with 22 effective BBs. Maybe this is spewy and a leak of mine, but that was my first thought on the hand.

Of course it all depends on his ability to 3-bet with air. If he is capable of doing so, then your shove is optimal, but I don't think he is betting 20K/folding to shove. These live donks are tighter than us, and for that same reason I think a post-flop shove is better against them.

These live donks are tighter than us, and for that same reason I think a post-flop shove is better against them.

Do you know who Pralad is?

Fwiw prahlad is an online player first and foremost afaik. He is a winning 25/50 reg on all the sites. I don't like flatting and shoving any piece, he's just folding out the range of hands that you want to call you. If he's really 3 betting as often as you say and playing that aggro than I'd shove pre here, but I also don't 3x pf here (not sure why you did either).

Prahlad plays a much tighter tourney game than most people imagine.

i hate this spot and i always seem to do the wrong thing. AJ is the most annoying hand to play in this spot becuz even tho it looks like a good hand, ur always destroyed when called... (i dont think AT is gonna 3b/c if uve never 4bet b4 but idk). So ur basically praying to see 88-TT when called and just hoping the rest of the time hes r/f.

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

i hate this spot and i always seem to do the wrong thing. AJ is the most annoying hand to play in this spot becuz even tho it looks like a good hand, ur always destroyed when called... (i dont think AT is gonna 3b/c if uve never 4bet b4 but idk). So ur basically praying to see 88-TT when called and just hoping the rest of the time hes r/f.

u dont think he 3bet/calls with 22-77 ever? didnt he have a huge stack?

 

Originally Posted by Haze33

I think Andressoprano just wants to be in the "cool club"

And I think you are just another random, who I have no fucking idea of it's existence, looking for a chance to join any kind of club and abandon the darkness his uneventful live has dragged him into. He thinks abandoning the lurking is a good choice, but he is wrong.

I just read ur post and have not read any of the replies so here at my 2 cents. I think u barely have a stack to 4 bet but the 4 bet is fine. As u said the problem is the price he is getting. If i feel he might 3 bet me light I plan ahead and make a smaller raise pre maybe that even tells him u have a bigger hand. I make t 5,800 or 6k then he can go to 15k -18k and u can 4bet to 65k or all in w/e giving him room to fold.

Talking about the flop is pointless cause i think is HORRID to flat the 3bet and shove. So I like the play just not the stacks and raise sizes. ul g f g...

(x) wish i could delete my first post.

 

Originally Posted by improved

I just read ur post and have not read any of the replies so here at my 2 cents. I think u barely have a stack to 4 bet but the 4 bet is fine. As u said the problem is the price he is getting. If i feel he might 3 bet me light I plan ahead and make a smaller raise pre maybe that even tells him u have a bigger hand. I make t 5,800 or 6k then he can go to 15k -18k and u can 4bet to 65k or all in w/e giving him room to fold.

Talking about the flop is pointless cause i think is HORRID to flat the 3bet and shove. So I like the play just not the stacks and raise sizes. ul g f g...

In general I agree with this line of reasoning. I opened for the full 3x for two reasons. First, I did not want Prahlad to flat me in position. Stack sizes were such that if I got flatted, he could easily exploit a c bet on a variety of flops by shoving. Obviously when the flop comes K high with two hearts this is not a problem, but when it comes 943 rainbow and I am out of position, it becomes very tough to play the hand post flop. Second, I wanted to discourage a 3 bet/commit from small/mid pair. I feel I have an decent edge over the rest of the remaining field and want to avoid a race if possible. That said, in hindsight a 2.5x open may have enabled him to fold to the 4b shove.

Flatting out of position and shoving isn't as bad as you say as long as your doing it on almost all flops. Basically its a stop and go, giving him another opportunity to fold. Not a standard line but as long as I am shoving 80+% of flops I don't hate it.

I don't think your story is, in any way, similar to the op.

Good shove with aq utg tho.

I still would like to know what Prahlad showed up with here... I'm thinking 66.

Just curious.

what's Prahlad's name on stars? he had 88 btw