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  1. czarcaesarxx czarcaesarxx is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 12:18am)

    6 max double up SNG 4 people remain 50/100 blinds
    Button- 4,000
    SB- 2700
    BB- 990 (44)
    UTG- 980 (AQ)

    I shoved AQs, Button calls, and the BB also calls with 44. Is it correct for the BB to call seeing that he has me covered? I personally think that 10BB's is still enough play room and would wait to do this with 5 BB's or less, but the player is a regular so that is why I am asking.

    If this is an incorrect call, how many BB's would it be correct?
     
  2. djdoodoo djdoodoo is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 1:33am) in reply to czarcaesarxx

    It is a correct call with the 44 and yours is a correct shove. The big blind isn't thinking about having you covered. He's thinking about doubling up that is all to win the tournament because he knows he's flipping vs high cards and hoping you don't have a pocket pair.

    You shouldn't be bothered about whether he is making correct plays. You shouldn't be wasting your time with that, you should be adjusting your play around how he plays.
  3. jppp5039 jppp5039 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 3:03am) in reply to djdoodoo

     
    Originally Posted by djdoodoo View Post

    It is a correct call with the 44 and yours is a correct shove. The big blind isn't thinking about having you covered. He's thinking about doubling up that is all to win the tournament because he knows he's flipping vs high cards and hoping you don't have a pocket pair.

    You shouldn't be bothered about whether he is making correct plays. You shouldn't be wasting your time with that, you should be adjusting your play around how he plays.

    This is a double or nothing SNG i believe. Meaning that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all win double the buy in. The villain having the hero covered here def. goes into his thought process. If he calls then our shortstacked hero with AQ has to beat both his 44, as well as the button's hand. I think its good to call with the 44 having you covered, make you beat 2 hands.

    If you had him covered, then he should be folding. Not sure, but i think its good call with the 44.
     
  4. czarcaesarxx czarcaesarxx is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 8:16am) in reply to jppp5039

     
    Originally Posted by jppp5039 View Post

    This is a double or nothing SNG i believe. Meaning that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all win double the buy in. The villain having the hero covered here def. goes into his thought process. If he calls then our shortstacked hero with AQ has to beat both his 44, as well as the button's hand. I think its good to call with the 44 having you covered, make you beat 2 hands.

    If you had him covered, then he should be folding. Not sure, but i think its good call with the 44.

    Yes, it is a double up SNG. I am interested to here more opinions on this. I believe if you are a good player than it is not necessary to take this risk until you have less than 5 BB's left as there is going to be much better spots.

    For example, lets say my shoving range is AQ and the big stacks calling range is AJ+ and 77+ I have 43% equity. If you throw 44 in my equity drops to 29%, but the BB is going to lose 30% of the time. So is the 14% less equity that I am gaining worth the 30% time that you lose?
     
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  5. djdoodoo djdoodoo is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 4:10pm) in reply to czarcaesarxx

    You are correct that you dont need to shove until around 5bb
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