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Need a little help in micro-limit cash games (full ring)

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  1. Jesterr01 Jesterr01 is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2012 (8/15/2012 6:01pm)

    I know it's not the most popular form of poker to play online, but I'm working on improving my live game. I do pretty well at $1/$2 live, and spoke with a coach about improving my game. We set up a coaching session and he said it would be easier if there were a few hand histories we could go over so he asked me to play some .10/.25 games online or to adjust up or down to where I feel the caliber of play is close to the $1/$2 live games I play as online games are tougher. I have PT3 but here is where I'm running into trouble. In order to develop a feel for the table and get better at picking up patterns, he asked me to play a single table at a time without a HUD. After some experimentation I found that a .05/.10 online game is slightly tougher than the average $1/$2 live game I play. While I am getting a feel for game flow and am learning when to 3-bet and pick up blinds from tight players (who are usually Multi-tabling 10+ games), I have a few questions. Most tables I look at have 6-8 players that are playing 4+ tables at once.

    So here's my common scenario: There is me, 1-2 players (usually just one) that is playing only a single table (or 2 max), and the rest of the table are regs who are on the waiting list for every other table and are 3.5x raising each blind, folding/re-raising a 4-bet 50% of the time and most of the time the entire table folds to a 3.5x raise making the table really tight. Some lines I've found that work extremely well (and before playing these tables I would never do this) is to limp or call with AA and check/call the flop as they c-bet 100% and fire on the turn more than half the time, I'd guess 60-70% at which point I can re-raise or call and value bet the river. 90% of the c-bets I see are 2/3 of the pot bets making it really hard to float with suited connectors or one gaps as I doubt I'll get paid with a flush, but probably with a straight. Calling 3.5x with pairs then folding if I don't hit a set seems spewey. I can usually steal the blinds about 3 times every 2 orbits. Any lines or advice would be appreciated.

    I'm not really interested in MTTs or SnGs or 6-max yet. I may experiment with that later, but any ways to take advantage of these guys at a single table with no HUD would be appreciated.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 3:35am) in reply to Jesterr01

    tbh i'm in the same spot as u trying to figure out $1/2 live so it's beatable. so i'll be interested in some of the better advice u get on here.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 6:20pm) in reply to Jesterr01

    when i was playing live $1/2 a lot i felt that the play closely resembled the .10/.25 full ring online. now that u have a coach i would just stick to .10/.25 for the purpose of getting a good amount of hh's for ur coaching sessions. when u and ur coach go over ur hh he could make suggestions as to move up/down in stakes based on everyone's play. i wouldn't get too caught up in how many tables other people are playing because they are exploitable just like the lag's. the point of getting into the flow of the game is to adjust to the players. that means adjusting to live donks who call every raise, or the mass multi-tablers on line that 3.5x open and cbet 85%.

    when playing just one table just focus on playing optimal and taking advantage of certain spots when they give u the chance. i think once u can adjust to the table no matter live/on-line the other things won't matter as much. the reason they won't matter is u'll be adjusting automatically. this is just my thoughts i came up w/.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 9:05pm) in reply to blueboy44

     
    Originally Posted by blueboy44 View Post

    when i was playing live $1/2 a lot i felt that the play closely resembled the .10/.25 full ring online. now that u have a coach i would just stick to .10/.25 for the purpose of getting a good amount of hh's for ur coaching sessions. when u and ur coach go over ur hh he could make suggestions as to move up/down in stakes based on everyone's play. i wouldn't get too caught up in how many tables other people are playing because they are exploitable just like the lag's. the point of getting into the flow of the game is to adjust to the players. that means adjusting to live donks who call every raise, or the mass multi-tablers on line that 3.5x open and cbet 85%.

    when playing just one table just focus on playing optimal and taking advantage of certain spots when they give u the chance. i think once u can adjust to the table no matter live/on-line the other things won't matter as much. the reason they won't matter is u'll be adjusting automatically. this is just my thoughts i came up w/.

    I agree, my only problem with online is it plays VERY differently than the live games I'm used to. .10/.25 does not even resemble live to me. .05/.10 is closer, but I don't see much 3-betting live, and I rarely see limping online. Still, playing online without a HUD has helped me develop a feel for the table flow. I played a live game last night and was able to more closely put people on hands as the table tightened or loosened up.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 9:41pm) in reply to Jesterr01

    go w/ .05/.10 and see how u do and see if ur coach wants u to stay at that level or move up. not seeing much 3/b live and limping on-line is a great point. i'm about to start playing some live $1/2 in the next few weeks just to get some xtra money into my br. and most of the people who play the $1/2 play in the live tourney's at my local casino.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 10:01pm) in reply to blueboy44

    Make sure if you haven't to pick up a copy of "Read'em and Reap" by Joe Navarro. The cover is cheesy and online players will say tells are WAY over-rated which at higher limits I'm sure is true, but live ESPECIALLY at $1/$2 people leak so much info it is sick. That's really the one and only book of tells I would recommend when you start playing live.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 11:36pm) in reply to Jesterr01

    Ive never played any online level thats anything like a live $1-2 game. Maybe in the very early days of party poker but thats it.

    For strategy help i would recommend the free split-suit videos at ThePokerBank.com. All FR and again...Their FREE.

    The videos at CrushLivePoker with Bart Hanson are played at 5/5 but have all the bad play in them you see at 1/2....$9.95 a month but easily worth it.

    P.S.....hope im not breaking any rules posting links and i know neither split-suit nor Bart Hanson personally...they could both be overall losers for all i know but their videos are very very good...
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    Aug 20th, 2012 (8/20/2012 1:45pm) in reply to allynlong

    Thanks, I'll check our the ones at ThePokerBank.com I listened to some of Bart Hanson's podcasts. They were actually really interesting in that they focused on live play with hand histories and analysis from Bart. The interviews were hilarious as well.
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