lol@ putting gidders in the same sentence as todd and gank.

I'd be curious too. What does a "pro" make in comparison to really good non-pros. For example, how much would I consistently have to make online before I could go into a bank and secure a loan based soley on the fact that I was a "poker pro."

Well NSXT just got a $250k car.. so id say its up there, lol..

Just questioning why they would want to provide this info to a random person? I would probably say its really none of your business. I wouldnt want everyone knowing how much I make, for many different reasons.

$80 million*****

SCGolfer - I don't doubt you disagree with its relevancy, but of its appropriateness. Most people wouldn't want everyone knowing how much they make, but this is different.

If you're using poker perfomance in a public forum as a springboard to tutorial-related business ventures, etc; then you should disclose how much your net income is. This is poker after all and net income is one of the best indicators we have.

I'm not really looking to join their forum or pose this question with the realistic expectation of honest answer.

Just trying to see if others are concerned that re: the numbers matching up with the hype. I suspect if you were to take a look behind the curtain, they wouldn't. Any input/thoughts welcome.

This is in response to a player who claims to be a "pro".

If you want to put time and energy into praising someone's volunteer work, why not send a letter to the red cross?

To say he deserves donations or the like is an insult to real volunteers everywhere (volunteer firemen, rescue workers, etc). Lets think about the grand scheme of things before we make comments like this.

The guy is volunteering to help people who presumably have little money create a large bankroll. Does anyone else see the potential disasters surrounding this????? People who shouldn't be playing poker are going to be taking money they shouldn't be gambling with and using his system to try and "take a shortcut in life" (i.e. will think, hmmm, I can be a pro like gidders too and not have to work, maybe I'll use next month's rent/grocery money/insert any money here that needs to support my family and turn it into 5K). The next thing you know this guy has gambled away hard earned money that he should never have been gambling with in the first place. So before you call what he is doing noble, look at the bigger picture. He is helping people learn to gamble, which I don't know if it deserves all this praise. You should also praise people who bring us free porn and free racist propaganda, because these two things degenerate society just as much as gambling.

Estoppel,

I find your post extremely offensive. You go to great pains to discredit people who help other people play a game they love. For what reason, did Gank or NSXT2 ever piss in your corn flakes?

Poker is not gaming in the traditional sense. If I play a golf tourney or scrabble tourney that has an entry fee and pays prize money, am i gambling? Is your next rant going to be on the boards of Scrabble International telling them how much they are degenerating society. If not you are a hypocrite. How about the old gummers down at the senior center playing cribbage for money, are they the next big threat to society on the same level as skinheads?

So you swoop in here acting like you are the holy man here to save us and pretend to know what advice pro's give their students. Any pro worth a plug nickel always tells his students to manage his bankroll first and minimize risk. Never invest rent money in high risk short term investment vehicles. You find the same advice in all stock and commodity trading manuals as well.

So in the spirt of giving, I will tell you what my students learn first. Soupies 5 rules that guarantee a winner.

1. Manage your bankroll. Never risk more than 5% a day for any reason.
2. Hold your temper.
3. Win the most number of chips when you have the best hand.
4. Lose the least when you have the worst hand.
5. Don't beat yourself.

And now for the truth. My students are all on track to make anywhere from 30K to 100K+ this year.I am making more than that. I do not charge them and I am not accepting anymore. I am happy for their success. They give money to the Red Cross and friends in need.

If you dont promptly apologize, I hope Adam and the gang make you disappear. I am fairly sure he doesnt like being told he is on par with Hitler.

Soupie

my sentiments also mantis lol

Estoppel writes:

"you make a great point 300zx. If these "pros" are making claims and asking people to follow their advice based upon incorrect or misleading data, that has the potential for dangerous consequences.

I'll post here what I put on a couple other threads."

No please, not this again. Why must you keep posting this in every thread threat that is remotely related to winning at poker?

We've all read it and most of us already disagree with 90% of what has been said.

Who cares if NSXT, Gank, Gidders, Etc actually only make 1/50th of what they claim. You should be analytical enough to decide for youself if their instruction is worth paying for or viewing for free.

Maybe NSXT really drives a '92 Lumina and Gidders actually had to borrow $50 from his grandma last month to pay his electric bill. Who cares?

Its no different than reading a poker book written by a "pro" player. Read it, decide if its quality instruction or complete garbage, move on...next.

No reason to call them out and say that they are trash players because you dont like the way they play poker. Point blank man... its no secret that the above names have shown positive results of some magnitude. So they are offereing a solid source of information for losing players, or winning players who are just looking for other viewpoints of the game. If I watch someone's vids and lose my roll, then I'm idiot. Its my fault for playing out of my range or for playing terrible poker because I followed bad advice.

for the record, soupie is the man

er lizard...

er..11 rebuy machine....

whichever

PM

your name is estoppol. a legal term? hardly....super euro...absolutely.

estoppel is no longer here, so you guys don't need to keep talking to him :)

The guy is volunteering to help people who presumably have little money create a large bankroll. Does anyone else see the potential disasters surrounding this????? People who shouldn't be playing poker are going to be taking money they shouldn't be gambling with and using his system to try and "take a shortcut in life" (i.e. will think, hmmm, I can be a pro like gidders too and not have to work, maybe I'll use next month's rent/grocery money/insert any money here that needs to support my family and turn it into 5K). The next thing you know this guy has gambled away hard earned money that he should never have been gambling with in the first place

Are you serious!? Hey thanks for playing the role of the morality police. Dude, sounds like you've had a problem with this in the past?? I mean, its sad when this happens, but, come on, dont come in here and preach to us about gambling. I also think your insulting most peoples intelligence by saying that. I seriously cant stand people that feel like they need to impose their view of whats right and whats wrong. Just because you win 5k, I seriously doubt most people would quit there jobs, considering that a lot of people on here probably make more than 5k a month at there day job or are students that dont have those kinds of responsibilites.

So, in other words, gfy and get bent and

*hugs*