Let's accept something as fact: when the owners of the bank leave the door open to the vault, people are gonna walk in.

Multiaccounting and other forms of collusion (either with oneself or others) are everywhere in online poker. They are everywhere because by and large the providers of online gaming have left gaping holes in their security and the morally bankrupt and the morally relative among us have just done what could be done, all of them claiming "oh, I didn't know." Please. Not one person who has broken a rule or a law has been absolved of responsibility because 'they didn't know.' Statements like <url=http://www.pokerlizard.com/interviews/grinder.htm>"Mizrachi's"</url> -- http://www.pokerlizard.com/interviews/grinder.htm --only compound and underscore the arrogance of such types who decided they could do as they pleased because they got around the system. Poker isn't Bingo, and it isn't Blackjack. No one of them ever had multiple seats in their homegames or in the casinos.

If online poker is going to spare itself the coming inquisition that will come as a result of these higher and higher profile cases of collusion, then it is going to have to come down hard on their marquee players who have done this, and come down hard on the freerollers who are the ZeeJustin's in training. There must be one standard for dealing with people who abuse the system. The only punishment that will mean anything to a cheat, and the only way to cripple their ability to cheat, is to seize funds WHETHER THEY WIN A TOURNEY OR NOT. Every person with ownership of more than one account should have all funds seized, no exceptions. "But what if I create a monkey to post in forums?" NO EXCEPTIONS! If they ever expect to stop the practice, they've got to slam the door to the vault summarily, and preferably slam it shut with their hands in it. They've got to demonstrate that creating multiple accounts for any reason is a really bad idea. As it stands, the creation of mulitple accounts is a potential goldmine.

In recent days on Pokerroom, they have made changes to their <url=http://www.pokerroom.com/pokah/forum/messageBody.php?threadNumber=144157>Terms of Service</url> -- http://www.pokerroom.com/pokah/forum...dNumber=144157 -- wherein if incidences of multiaccounting or collusion are caught in real time, then the offending parties will be disqualified upon completion of the tourney and everyone bumped up in payout. This meets the standard met by partypoker and pokerstars. This standard is pitifully inadequate. ANY ONE of the people knocked out by any one of JJProdigy's multiple identities could have won that tournament had they not run into and been knocked out by one of his clones which should never have been there in the first place. If offenses are detected in real time, as Pokerroom claims to be able to do on its own with some super-secret ultra-nucleonic detecto-ray, then they need to step up to the plate and REMOVE THAT PLAYER FROM PLAY the moment the forensic investigation warrants it. That forensic investigation SHOULD have been started the minute the detecto-ray picked up something, or when an IP relationship between the accounts was recorded. For the very fact that we are online, providers have exponentially increased ability to track behaviors. Players who ring certain alarms should be flagged and monitored constantly. Detection should be proactive, not reactive. Penalities should be swift and strong. Online gaming should get its act together and DO ITS JOB of regulating itself before the US Congress decides to do it or just denies these sites our market altogether. And don't think they won't.

So which of these sites is going to step up? Who is going to take legitimizing this game to the next level? Who is going to provide its customers with direct and efficient lines of communication to support (a "FLOOR" button would be a good start, some sites already have something akin to it) to report these real time offenses and deal with them immediately? Which of these sites is going to do its own work in identifying these people rather than relying on the bloopers in the forums or the lynch mobs who force their hand to take action? When are the providers of Online Gaming going come anywhere near the standard set by Brick and Mortar casinos who can and will pull your chips from play for no less than repeated F-Bomb offenses? When, Online Poker World, are you going to make the experience of online poker more than a cheater's lottery?

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Please become a poker player and contribute positively to this community.

Or just leave, and go back to pokah.

This is a direct request from the majority of this forum, thanks.

Sorry you were offended by my post. Obviously if we didn't condone this discussion or didn't allow posts like this, it would have been deleted.

I think the rest of your post here is pretty far out of line. We removed JJProdigy and ZeeJustin from our rankings and players to watch. I even wrote an article for Bluff on this subject. Just because I'm tired of the same people starting countless threads about the same subject doesn't mean I'm on the wrong side of the issue.

i actually read the above post and it was full of good insight and well thought out solutions. All the above ideas, although good, have been laid out in various forms in other posts. The main problem is that people are just tired of discussing the situation. Not because we dont care. But because its up to the poker sites to do their jobs to enforce their rules.

You cannot force ethics or morals on anyone, no matter how many times you post a well written article filled with truth. This is where online poker is at the moment. Its further along than it was 2 years ago and in another 2 years it will have evolved even more. If your not comfortable taking the 'risks' playing online poker presents, then you shouldnt play.

Im a realist, i know alot crap goes on in online poker. There is just too much 'dead money' out there for even an average player to take, that i can look past the minority of people who 'cheat' the system. Thats just the way i look at it.

hey, we as on line players should be protected against people that multi account/collude in tourneys Period. it is a clear edge for them even if its just a few points, its still an edge. lets get real, we are playing for the all mighty dollars here, not play chips or happy stickers (although some do). Hell if i am putting money on a site, i'd like to be protected just as when i put my money in my Bank. And i would agree that having find a player that goes beyond that line, should have his account frozen, and suspended indef. not to say they can't create other accounts, cause i am sure "they" are still doing it.

and i'd rather read posts that have something good in them than reading about how many bluntz (cough cough) he or she smokes a day.

i am sure people are sick and tired of reading those posts, but lets be honest here, this is a serious threat to all the honest players out there.

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