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  1. Mr. Blonde Mr. Blonde is offline Supreme Moderator

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:23pm) in reply to MadProfesor

    i didnt read all the replies so I may have missed this if it was covered.....Is it possible that all the AP admin accounts (i.e. #363, #364, #365...) are all registered to the same email address? I mean, im sure the ceo makes plenty of dough, and it just sounds more reasonable that a disgruntled employee would pull a stunt like this rather than a guy on top.
     
  2. LUHMAN LUHMAN is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:29pm) in reply to SusieQue

    safe to say the employee who sent the email with all the hole cards and ip's is at the bottom of some large body of water..
     
  3. TriGonzo TriGonzo is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:45pm) in reply to LUHMAN

    Obv, he was gonna be short in making that UB annuity payment.
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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:46pm) in reply to ShooterJ

    holy shit, this guy's fkn sick. A lot of the incriminating info is now being changed as he reads the threads on P5's and 2 + 2. It's like this guy thinks he can still just run run run and deny deny deny and everything is going to go away.

    What a stupid moron. AP moneyz have been withdrawn.
  5. TheJacob TheJacob is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:48pm) in reply to jalman1

    This actually makes me feel more comfortable.

    I am in no way surprised that the CEO of absolute poker can access the hole cards.

    This in no way makes me feel the need to play on absolute poker again, but does make me feel safer playing on other sites.
  6. nevertilt22 nevertilt22 is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 8:49pm) in reply to ActionJeff

    yes, yes...again...without the oops
     
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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 9:09pm) in reply to ActionJeff

    www.absolutepokercheats.com has some real redic stuff
  8. DEADF1SH DEADF1SH is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 10:28pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    Waco, you may want to touch base with a lawyer b4 doing that interview, probably nothing to worry about, but just in case. Being rightous is not always right for you... Just a thought
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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 10:42pm) in reply to safeinst

    It really makes no sense for the CEO to cheat. I think it is more likely someone was using his account and then trying to cover it up. I guess nothing would surprise me, though.

    tc
  10. 1nvestor 1nvestor is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 10:47pm) in reply to ActionJeff

    To really verify the IP information, contact Quova. They "really" know where IPs are located.
  11. N 82 50 24 N 82 50 24 is offline herp derp derp

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 10:50pm) in reply to Green Plastic

    I kinda doubt it Taylor. At this point it seems pretty clear that it was him based on a number of things, some of which haven't been posted because I was given info in confidence and asked not to reveal it.
     
  12. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 10:54pm) in reply to Green Plastic

    from everything I have heard about this guy, it fits...
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  13. koolkeith13 koolkeith13 is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 11:05pm) in reply to N 82 50 24

    Nat I respect the fact that you were given info in confidence and asked not to reveal it. But with that being said I feel like the more info about this situation that is out there is good.

    Why protect this guy?
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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 11:21pm) in reply to ActionJeff

    Just got this note from a friend of mine who's VERY connected and high up, after I'd alerted him to what was going on and asked him about it:

    <SPAN>"Yeah I just talked to jason (full tilt player rep) who just spent a bunch of time w mark seif. Totally legit. Absolute is going down, and possibly ub is going down with it.

    Apparatently it’s a support account that a guy was using. The problem is that with a support account on full tilt, you still cannot see other players cards because that info is stored only on their computer and the server, not transmitted out to other users. B/c this account could see other peoples cards it means absolute was transmitting the data of every hand to every other player at the computer which also means it could be hacked."
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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 11:23pm) in reply to jenkinsenter

    how did that ever fly when they were trying to legitimize the site??????????
     
  16. N 82 50 24 N 82 50 24 is offline herp derp derp

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 11:36pm) in reply to koolkeith13

    I'm not protecting the guy, I'm protecting my sources. Lots of people told me stuff that might get them fired where they work if it was known that it was released.
     
  17. fade2241 fade2241 is offline

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    Oct 16th, 2007 (10/16/2007 11:59pm) in reply to jenkinsenter

    yah that doesn't make sense, how could software that has flaws like that be released?!?
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 12:14am) in reply to fade2241

    for every piece of software out there... there are 1000 12 yr olds who know how to hack it. plz.

    you think Bill Gates, with all his money, would have *perfect* software if that wasn't true?
  19. Hateflops Hateflops is offline 7 over par. ship it!

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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 12:31am) in reply to SillyEagle

    This is crazy. Greed is so insane. This seems like it should be a movie.
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 12:37am) in reply to jenkinsenter

    If that explanation is from Mark Seif than I would say Coverup #2 is already in full motion. He obviously has 1001 reasons for this to be someone other than a close business associate. That explanation fails to account for any of the IP info uncovered so far. His explanation doesn't save Absolute, but it would save face for him and others. Sorry, I don't buy it.
     
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 12:52am) in reply to HeLAfAsT

    http://www.pokerinternships.com/meet_the_interns.html

    I might apply
  22. DonorDonkey DonorDonkey is offline

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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 1:30am) in reply to N 82 50 24

    Plastic---
    Money makes MF's do crazy shit... if someone has a million they want 2 million, if they got 10 million they want 20 million... I have zero doubt that a CEO would "risk it" for more money...

    Think Enron.
  23. jenkinsenter jenkinsenter is offline

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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 2:27am) in reply to Nole91

    it wasn't necessarily seif's explanation, nor was it an excuse. they're still going down.
  24. Faaaaaaa-Q Faaaaaaa-Q is offline

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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 3:38am) in reply to ActionJeff

    <SPAN><SPAN>Where are all the posters who said it was inconceivable for this to ever happen? Not to mention some people verbally abusing the posters here on P5's who merely said it could happen, not that is was happening?

    I think some apologies are in order</SPAN> </SPAN>
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 5:11am) in reply to Faaaaaaa-Q

    i read a post on neverwin that AP responded saying that Scott Tom hasnt worked for them for over a year.
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 8:21am) in reply to N 82 50 24

    Thanks again nat, marco and everyone involved in heping to out these greedy bastards.
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 8:45am) in reply to Javy28

    Okay i might of missed something since i didnt have the time to read through everything, but why the hell would a CEO of an online poker site risk his life to make 40k when he already makes millions a year? are there some reasons or something im missing?
     
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 9:14am) in reply to ActionJeff

    On a side note, winnings have been confiscated from Lee "The_V0id" Jones from the WCOOP main event for violating terms of service.
     
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 9:15am) in reply to jenkinsenter

    jenkins, let me be clear up front I'm not defending AP here just responding with my thoughts on your post.

    Just because a privileged user is sent every ones hole cards does not mean all users are sent them. It's very unlikely the client itself knows the security level and determines which cards to display. That would be an awful implementation and I don't believe it to be the case.

    It would be both easier to implement and more secure to to make the privilege determination at the Server and only send the necessary cards down to the client. In the case of a 'super-user' all hole cards would be sent. I'm sure they also have balances in place to prevent the super-user from actually playing as well. It can view tables only, which is why you see two accounts partnering up to pull this scam.

    Assuming this is the case then it should also be very easy to audit all of AP accounts and determine which ones have this special privilege and then further data-mine their master HH database to find out every table that was ever viewed with the account and from what IP address and then cross that with what other account was playing that table from the same IP address. A truly independent investigation should be able to find all involved and also determine which customers should be refunded and how much. I imagine this would take some time though.

    I really hope this is the how they choose to proceed.
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    Oct 17th, 2007 (10/17/2007 10:09am) in reply to RichardHurtz

    You can feel safe playing at Absolute Poker. Great care has been taken to provide our players with the safest place to play poker online. Integrity is a key part of our mission statement and will continue to be our focus as we strive to continue to be the best and most trusted online poker site in the market. When the stakes are on the line, we have gone, and will continue to go to great lengths to do everything possible to offer the most honest and fair games played on the web.

    Our security and safety measures and procedures are constantly reviewed and updated regularly to ensure that our players have a safe place to play poker. A strong competitive advantage is obvious when taking a closer look at the measures taken in respect to banking, collusion, hackers & the randomness of our card shuffling software at Absolute Poker.
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