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  1. spectrefax spectrefax is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 2:46am)

    Final table bubble and one guy sitting at about 2 big blinds at the other table. Rdcrsn hasn't been 3 betting much since he hasnt really had the chips to do so. A few hands prior to this he chipped up nicely. Whats your play and why?

    PokerStars Game #35375222670: Tournament #219011046, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (3000/6000) - 2009/11/15 2:20:08 ET
    Table '219011046 12' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 4: spectrefax (160563 in chips)
    Seat 5: mertzdog (145614 in chips)
    Seat 6: rdcrsn (258760 in chips)
    Seat 8: jaytheo40 (116581 in chips)
    Seat 9: Boquerk (270934 in chips)
    spectrefax: posts the ante 600
    mertzdog: posts the ante 600
    rdcrsn: posts the ante 600
    jaytheo40: posts the ante 600
    Boquerk: posts the ante 600
    mertzdog: posts small blind 3000
    rdcrsn: posts big blind 6000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to spectrefax [Jh Ad]
    jaytheo40: folds
    Boquerk: folds
    spectrefax: raises 10000 to 16000
    mertzdog: folds
    rdcrsn: raises 110000 to 126000
    spectrefax: ???
     
  2. Cmoney3 Cmoney3 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 2:59am) in reply to spectrefax

    lolo dude, turbo super super duper muck
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:12am) in reply to Cmoney3

    very tough spot but you have to fold here. I dunno know much rdcrsn's style (I know he's a top MTT player) but at this stage in the tourney I'd have to muck and hope for a better spot (at the FT).
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:16am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    lolo dude, turbo super super duper muck

    Why?
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:22am) in reply to spectrefax

    bc you are behind, i think thats easy enough to understand. u made it 16k, he goes 126k, lol im sure he folds there a ton
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:24am) in reply to spectrefax

    I'd muck so fast my index finger would break.

    Guy has 2 bbs and you wanna get froggy with a solid guy like rdc?

    Mind bottling man.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:27am) in reply to Niceguy

     
    Originally Posted by Niceguy View Post

    I'd muck so fast my index finger would break.

    Guy has 2 bbs and you wanna get froggy with a solid guy like rdc?

    Mind <strike>bottling</strike> boggling man.

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:33am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    bc you are behind, i think thats easy enough to understand. u made it 16k, he goes 126k, lol im sure he folds there a ton

    is raise is the same thing as an all-in, obv he's never folding to a 4bet here.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:34am) in reply to spectrefax

    say what u want. no chance u are ever ahead. ever. id bet my life on it
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:40am) in reply to spectrefax

    LOL @ everyone saying this is a snap fold, we have AJ 5 way iirc

    If I fold, it'd be for two reasons: first, the guy with 2 bbs, there may be something to be said for just making it to final table; second, the limited experience I have with rd he has been very tight. That having been said, he is clearly a competent MTT player, and I'd be pretty stunned if he actually shows up w/JJ+ AQ+ here a majority of the time. You should be folding heaps b/c the short stack, so this should be an insanely profitable spot to re-steal for rd, but in a spot where he can pull off a 3b/fold, he esssentially jams you. I'm thinking thats like mid/smallish pair/KQ/AT/AJ/Axs, and maybe his big hands too (at least sometimes), but without history it seems absurd to think a competent player would do this with only the nuts.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:41am) in reply to funnygut

    i dont fold
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:43am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    say what u want. no chance u are ever ahead. ever. id bet my life on it

    Not saying it isnt a fold, i'm just curious as to your reasons instead of just 'lol ur behind gg.' when its button raise vs big blind resteal in a PERFECT spot to exploit bubble play.

    If its cuz rd only plays the nuts and is an ultra nit, say that.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:59am) in reply to spectrefax

    lol jesus against him? this has to be a fold nearly every time. apparently funnygut cares not for rdcrsn's range here.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:03am) in reply to IbizaCF3

    i dont know specifics about his game but if this was against a random HSMTTer i dont think im folding.. i mean there is someone with 2BBs so thats just a reason for him to do this lighter.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:05am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    lol jesus against him? this has to be a fold nearly every time. apparently funnygut cares not for rdcrsn's range here.

    A - I said a fold is conceivable here iirc.
    B - I said rd has been tight in my limited exp for him.
    C - If his range is actually weighted to mostly JJ+/AQ+, that's absurd.

    Agreed?
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:07am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    lol jesus against him? this has to be a fold nearly every time. apparently funnygut cares not for rdcrsn's range here.

    Rdcrsn is tight in my experience, but that experience is limited, as I'm sure it is for you too Ibiza. So I have no clue why you're acting like you know his range range here so much better than funnygut... especially considering the fact that funnygut is a better player than you.

    Moreover, if Rdcrsn doesnt have worse hands in his range ever here, then I have no friggin clue how he consistantly beats HSMTTs. And that's not me questioning his game obv, that's me saying that his range "can't" be something stupidly nitty like AQ+/88+ or w/e. He'd be ridic easy to play against.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:07am) in reply to telks

     
    Originally Posted by telks View Post

    i dont know specifics about his game but if this was against a random HSMTTer i dont think im folding.. i mean there is someone with 2BBs so thats just a reason for him to do this lighter.

    rdcrsn isn't neverscaredb. His range isn't atc here.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:10am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    rdcrsn isn't neverscaredb. His range isn't atc here.

    You must be leveling. That or you've just discovered some weird/unique way to nut-hug 2 good players and want to flaunt it.

    Rd's range doesn't have to be absurdly wide for this to be a close spot, so stop acting like it does.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:12am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    rdcrsn isn't neverscaredb. His range isn't atc here.

    lol. his range can be FARRR from ATC and this still be a profitable call. like i said i dont know this player at all really besides that he is ranked. im opening a pretty wide range on this button and i feel like r/f with AJ in this spot against a HSMTTer has to be bad. if you guys are right saying he is nitty obv just void any of what im saying, but i was just trying to generalize it since i dont know his game.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:12am) in reply to funnygut

     
    Originally Posted by funnygut View Post

    A - I said a fold is conceivable here iirc.
    B - I said rd has been tight in my limited exp for him.
    C - If his range is actually weighted to mostly JJ+/AQ+, that's absurd.

    Agreed?

    If his effective 3 bet shove range is air gl here I guess.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:15am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    If his effective 3 bet shove range is air gl here I guess.

    That makes no sense.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:15am) in reply to shanetrain22

    op the fact that u are random( or so i think) to rdcrsn is why his range is nitty to u, if he knew u as a good lag he would shove wider, but 25bbs he isnt gettin in vs an unknown w worse. u are often flipping, bc im sure he shoves most every pair but the only hand i ever see u being ahead of is QK but im not sure if he doesnt flat QK pre. basically Aj has horrid equity vs rd shoving here
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:16am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    If his effective 3 bet shove range is air gl here I guess.

    ok, you got me, wp nice level
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:16am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    That makes no sense.

    why do u constantly try to make others feel inferior to you? who the fuck are u brah?
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:19am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    op the fact that u are random( or so i think) to rdcrsn is why his range is nitty to u, if he knew u as a good lag he would shove wider, but 25bbs he isnt gettin in vs an unknown w worse. u are often flipping, bc im sure he shoves most every pair but the only hand i ever see u being ahead of is QK but im not sure if he doesnt flat QK pre. basically Aj has horrid equity vs rd shoving here

    i can kinda dig this. im still not sure tho. but i was imagining the hand w/ my image.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:20am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    That makes no sense.

    You're implying his shoving range is way more open than it most likely is. I'm implying you're a jackass in every thread you post in.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:23am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    why do u constantly try to make others feel inferior to you? who the fuck are u brah?

    What the hell are you even talking about? Did you even read what your buddy wrote? He quotes funnygut, then goes and completely skews what funnygut said to "make a point." It made 0 sense "brah".
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:25am) in reply to shanetrain22

    so try to teach him instead of attempting to make him look like a jackass.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:25am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    why do u constantly try to make others feel inferior to you? who the fuck are u brah?

    this is so shanetrain, ask anyone, plz keep posting cmoney and dont get killed
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:25am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    You're implying his shoving range is way more open than it most likely is. I'm implying you're a jackass in every thread you post in.

    You said, "If his effective 3 bet shove range is air gl here I guess." No one even came close to saying that, nor did anyone imply that Rd's range has heaps of air in it.
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