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  1. Cmoney3 Cmoney3 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:28am) in reply to shanetrain22

    im not sure at all what ibiza means by effective 3 bet range or w/e i jsut dont think it does any good to make him feel like a jackass.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:29am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    You said, "If his effective 3 bet shove range is air gl here I guess." No one even came close to saying that, nor did anyone imply that Rd's range has heaps of air in it.

    I'll rephrase cause I'm pretty intoxicated: I don't think he ever puts that many chips into this pot with a hand that AJ crushes.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:31am) in reply to IbizaCF3

     
    Originally Posted by IbizaCF3 View Post

    I'll rephrase cause I'm pretty intoxicated: I don't think he ever puts that many chips into this pot with a hand that AJ crushes.

    What do you suppose a competent player does with ATs here?
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:35am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    im not sure at all what ibiza means by effective 3 bet range or w/e i jsut dont think it does any good to make him feel like a jackass.

    Wasn't my intention, though it's kind of weird that you're telling me how he feels. Btw, read your first (and second) post in this thread. Pretty sure I'm not the only person here saying things bluntly, yet I didn't see OP get all butt-hurt about it.

    oi tho

    How had you been playing/what do you think your image was to Rd, OP? Obv a variable that should be considered here...
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:46am) in reply to spectrefax

    im not folding
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:47am) in reply to witcher1984

    this hand is all about how rdcrsn perceives the OP. if u are random to him he has a tight range if u are an aggro reg or spew monkey he is shoving wider. HOW DOES HE PERCEIVE YOU OP?
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:48am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post


    im not sure at all what ibiza means by effective 3 bet range or w/e i jsut dont think it does any good to make him feel like a jackass.

    Wasn't my intention, though it's kind of weird that you're telling me how he feels. Btw, read your first (and second) post in this thread. Pretty sure I'm not the only person here saying things bluntly, yet I didn't see OP get all butt-hurt about it.

    oi tho

    How had you been playing/what do you think your image was to Rd, OP? Obv a variable that should be considered here...

    pasedena here i come
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:50am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post


    pasedena here i come

    yik, let's just hug it out...
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:52am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    op the fact that u are random( or so i think) to rdcrsn is why his range is nitty to u, if he knew u as a good lag he would shove wider, but 25bbs he isnt gettin in vs an unknown w worse. u are often flipping, bc im sure he shoves most every pair but the only hand i ever see u being ahead of is QK but im not sure if he doesnt flat QK pre. basically Aj has horrid equity vs rd shoving here

    nice explanation ty.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:53am) in reply to spectrefax

    np i prob should have jsut began with that, but im a dbag. gl
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:01am) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    np i prob should have jsut began with that, but im a dbag. gl

    You are also correct. I called and he flipped AQ.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:12am) in reply to spectrefax

     
    Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post

    You are also correct. I called and he flipped AQ.

    edit: nvm
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 4:59am) in reply to spectrefax

    yeah doubt rdcrsn is ever shoving air there...but what do i know

    rdcrsn is very solid but obv he uses this to his advantage to pull of sick plays

    think he shows up w pairs quite a lot 99 88 etc

    u r crushing his range like never such an unprofitable call
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 5:11am) in reply to xxCelticFCxx

     
    Originally Posted by xxCelticFCxx View Post

    yeah doubt rdcrsn is ever shoving air there...but what do i know

    rdcrsn is very solid but obv he uses this to his advantage to pull of sick plays

    think he shows up w pairs quite a lot 99 88 etc

    u r crushing his range like never such an unprofitable call

    I figured that since he is a very competent reg, that he obviously realizes there is an ultra shorty on the other table and would be able to take advantage of that. And that he would 3bet small looking for a 4bet shove with his great hands and that his range may be wider due to the bubble situation. Maybe I leveled myself.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 8:28am) in reply to spectrefax

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that OP is a random in rdcrsn eyes, raising from the button with like 25bbs in the final table bubble of the NHG widen his shoving range? I mean... don't most randoms wanna make FTs? Seems like a very good spot to shove wider than normal... plus he didn't even raise small to induce light shoves and stuff, I'm not sure his range is very strong? I'm not familiar with his style though, I'm just going by what I know about him, that he's a very good high stakes reg. I'm pushing... but a fold isn't out of the question I think.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 8:45am) in reply to ABorges

    interested what others have to say about this hand.

    pretty sure i snap get it in

    why is he trying to make his hand look stronger? and not inducing a 4bet

    with effectively 25bb surely he can/should shove really wide here
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 10:27am) in reply to neverbluff67

    i call
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 10:49am) in reply to spectrefax

    highly doubt i'm folding. this is 5handed FT bubble of NHG and you're on the button, no?

    Also, is rdcrsn really opening up the lobby, looking for a short stack, then playing heaps differently b/c of this? idk, only ask cus i personally never open the lobby to look for things like this.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 11:05am) in reply to spectrefax

     
    Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post

    I figured that since he is a very competent reg, that he obviously realizes there is an ultra shorty on the other table and would be able to take advantage of that. And that he would 3bet small looking for a 4bet shove with his great hands and that his range may be wider due to the bubble situation. Maybe I leveled myself.

    Sounds solid to me... I dunno but I'm not sure I like the idea of raise/folding our entire range but like AQ/99+ on the button to a good reg. Maybe he is actually that nitty? Ionno.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 11:54am) in reply to spectrefax

    This is really close. I think we are doing pretty good vs his range and its for sure +cev to call but may be -$ev with somebody have 2 big blinds left.
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 12:23pm) in reply to jordankickz

     
    Originally Posted by jordankickz View Post

    This is really close. I think we are doing pretty good vs his range and its for sure +cev to call but may be -$ev with somebody have 2 big blinds left.

    bingo mcbango
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 12:40pm) in reply to spectrefax

    LOL at everyone saying this is an insta fold. Yall like folding to ranges you are way ahead of? Snap this shit bro play to win.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 1:27pm) in reply to MarleyGroup

    you guys really think rdcrsn sucks at poker, huh

    i call
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 1:27pm) in reply to spectrefax

    Call and its not even close. Only thing that might make it close is icm, but i doubt its -$ev. But i think icm in mtts is fairly flawed anyway since it doesnt factor in a lot of stuff such as flexibility and all the extra power a big stack gives to a good player, but thats a different discussion. But anyway, u have his range crushed, so call.

    By folding, ur basically saying u think rdcrsn is awful.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 2:08pm) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    this hand is all about how rdcrsn perceives the OP. if u are random to him he has a tight range if u are an aggro reg or spew monkey he is shoving wider. HOW DOES HE PERCEIVE YOU OP?

    I think it is the opposite of this because rdcrsn is more likely to put pressure on a random with a marginal hand, than he is against a reg. A reg knows what an incredibly great re-steal spot this is because of the guy with 2 bb's, so the reg isn't opening light in this case and rdcrsn knows that. I think it is very clear that this is a +cEV call (unless like Gag says rdcrsn is a terrible, which is my limited experience with him is very far from the case), the only question is whether it is +$EV, without running the numbers my gut says that it is +$EV.
     
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    Nov 15th, 2009 (11/15/2009 3:08pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    this hand is all about how rdcrsn perceives the OP. if u are random to him he has a tight range if u are an aggro reg or spew monkey he is shoving wider. HOW DOES HE PERCEIVE YOU OP?

    This is what honestly stumped me during the actual hand as I assume most regulars just see me as a random. My image at the time was fairly solid I assume as he and I only played a handful together throughout the tourney up to this point. I honestly expect him (or any HS reg) to put more pressure on a random then he would a reg he plays every day. Especially given the bubble situation.
     
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