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  1. mojo504 mojo504 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:29am)

    [SIZE="4"]no true reads on either player, hertsell had been really quiet didnt see him play any hands to this point. chevanater was pretty quiet also the only hands we've seen from him he shoved 19bb over a raiser with QQ and open shoved 26 bb in middle position with QKo

    pokerstars Game #55014956244: Tournament #346011082, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (1500/3000) - 2010/12/29 2:06:06 ET
    Table '346011082 125' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1:]Weevil1483 (76680 in chips)
    Seat 2: callmeicare (62569 in chips)
    Seat 4: AKJMoscow (144063 in chips)
    Seat 5: chevanater (58594 in chips)
    Seat 6: hertselll (38614 in chips)
    Seat 7: wisconsinfan (66630 in chips)
    Seat 8: mojo504 (231246 in chips)
    Seat 9: ein Caesar (89448 in chips)
    Weevil1483: posts the ante 300
    callmeicare: posts the ante 300
    AKJMoscow: posts the ante 300
    chevanater: posts the ante 300
    hertselll: posts the ante 300
    wisconsinfan: posts the ante 300
    mojo504: posts the ante 300
    ein Caesar: posts the ante 300
    chevanater: posts small blind 1500
    hertselll: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mojo504 [Qc As]
    wisconsinfan: folds
    mojo504: raises 4550 to 7550
    ein Caesar: folds
    Weevil1483: folds
    callmeicare: folds
    AKJMoscow: folds
    chevanater: raises 50744 to 58294 and is all-in
    hertselll: calls 35314 and is all-in
    ???[/SIZE]
  2. oops i win1 oops i win1 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:34am) in reply to mojo504

    Sounds like im folding.
  3. JIMMYKIMMEL JIMMYKIMMEL is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:35am) in reply to mojo504

    i think it's a pretty easy call here. I'm never Folding AQ to a <20BB shove in this spot.
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  4. cream420 cream420 is online now

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:57am) in reply to JIMMYKIMMEL

     
    Originally Posted by JIMMYKIMMEL View Post

    i think it's a pretty easy call here. I'm never Folding AQ to a <20BB shove in this spot.

    never folding AQo to a 20bb shove after raising from utg +1 has got to be pretty bad.. against most competant players im not folding either but there are lot of players u come across where aqo is not gonna fair too well. not saying fold is the right option here but its far from an absolute type spot

    edit: i for some reason thought the original 3b shovfer was in the CO, so him being in the SB here makes it a lot easier call but i still think there r gonna be some villians that u could find a fold against. but with weith said reads im calling here for sure
    Edited By: cream420 Dec 30th, 2010 at 06:08 AM
     
  5. Trav04 Trav04 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 6:06am) in reply to JIMMYKIMMEL

     
    Originally Posted by JIMMYKIMMEL View Post

    i think it's a pretty easy call here. I'm never Folding AQ to a <20BB shove in this spot.

    and you have heaps of chips. Great spot to get it in here your pry a head and if your not its a good gamble with your stack.
  6. Hockeysb97 Hockeysb97 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:12am) in reply to Trav04

    I would fold with no reads, I don't know how often people are shoving worse than AQ with 20 bb with your utg + 1 raise. Think at best your flipping don't really see most of the time any hands your beating, once the bb shoves also idk maybe the math says call? I would fold here most of the time
     
  7. CeJeH CeJeH is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:17am) in reply to Hockeysb97

    call
     
  8. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:23am) in reply to CeJeH

    How active have you been and what is your image?
     
  9. shallowcal shallowcal is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:27am) in reply to Pick6man

    tend to feel like youre flipping at best. dont think he shows up with a worse ace and you have a lot of chips to work with... find a better spot i think
  10. dag21 dag21 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:34am) in reply to shallowcal

    Im calling, but no high five thts fo sho
  11. mojo504 mojo504 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:34am) in reply to shallowcal

    oh sorry i forgot to put what my image is. at this table i've been pretty active but i hadnt done anything completely outta line and prior to this hand i opened from utg/utg+1 the past 2-3 orbits
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  12. silvafan35 silvafan35 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 1:48am) in reply to mojo504

    i would fold your flipping or crushed in most spots
  13. CeJeH CeJeH is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 2:19am) in reply to silvafan35

    You're getting a pretty good price, it's a small % of ur stack, and you have 2 of the toppest 3 cards in poker. Call and win
     
  14. Hockeysb97 Hockeysb97 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 2:44am) in reply to CeJeH

    I don't hate the call, but I'm more likely to fold here. I understand he has a big stack, but I think I would give the shover credit with a hand here. If he raised in cutoff or hijack, and the guy shoved for 20 bb I think I call every single time. But in this case, I just don't really see randoms shoving with worse aces here most of the time. In Mojo's spot, I think most of the time best case scenario you're flipping here. Maybe I'm wrong though do you hate a fold?
     
  15. silvafan35 silvafan35 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 2:48am) in reply to Hockeysb97

    it is a good price however
  16. Hockeysb97 Hockeysb97 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 2:50am) in reply to CeJeH

     
    Originally Posted by CeJeH View Post

    You're getting a pretty good price, it's a small % of ur stack, and you have 2 of the toppest 3 cards in poker. Call and win

    I don't hate the call, but I'm more likely to fold here. I understand he has a big stack, but I think I would give the shover credit with a hand here. If he raised in cutoff or hijack, and the guy shoved for 20 bb I think I call every single time. But in this case, I just don't really see randoms shoving with worse aces here most of the time. In Mojo's spot, I think most of the time best case scenario you're flipping here. Maybe I'm wrong though do you hate a fold?
     
  17. silvafan35 silvafan35 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 3:05am) in reply to Hockeysb97

    i actually said i would fold first but after rethinking i like the spot to get my chips in!you have lots of chips and prob racing!it is a great question CeJeh is folding wrong??

    hockeys my bad!
  18. pkb6786 pkb6786 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 3:57am) in reply to silvafan35

    I fold. I don't think AQo is very good from EP against two shovers with ~20bbs and ~10bbs. There's a good chance you are dominated by at least one. You are probably praying for a flip against the first shover imo.

    Did you ship it? You better not be ahead of me in the rankings again idiot.
     
  19. TKO121 TKO121 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 4:03am) in reply to silvafan35

    You gotta call if i did the math correctly you're getting a little better than 2:1 you have a big stack... you gotta accumulate chips if u want to make a good FT run
     
  20. aniceboy aniceboy is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 4:05am) in reply to TKO121

    snap fold imo
     
  21. CeJeH CeJeH is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 4:17am) in reply to aniceboy

    I mean it depends on the history you have with these guys, I'm not saying AQ is crushing their ranges or anything I'm just saying with the shorty calling off his last 10bbs it really juices up the pot giving hero better odds to call, in addition to the fact that original 3b shover can certainly be doing so light.

    If the shover and the shortstack were the super nitty, moving up the money ladder tight I would certainly be folding, but vs 2 randoms as aggressive as the games are playing today I think this is a call. Would certainly be interested in hearing arguments to the contrary I could be wrong, its happened before.
     
  22. TheBulldog3 TheBulldog3 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 8:01am) in reply to CeJeH

    I think its a call. I played around with pokerstove for a while but its 3 AM and the math got confusing. But basically even if you give both villains a tighter range than they are likely to show up with (top 10% for original 3bettor and 88+,AQs+,AQo+ for the 12 bb caller), it looks like a call is still profitable getting 2.1:1 for the 108k main pot, and being a very slight favorite in the side pot. If you assume both of these ranges are too tight then obviously the call is clearer, especially when you factor in that losing wont damage your stack too badly.
  23. JKobak JKobak is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 9:42am) in reply to TheBulldog3

    My gut tells me you are behind here but your odds are pretty good (calling about 50k into 110k pot?) if you call and lose you still have about 175k which is still an excellent stack this point in the tournament. I call and pray they have JJ and TT.
  24. DrDankRx23 DrDankRx23 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 12:43pm) in reply to JKobak

    Snippity snappity snap snap.
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  25. super plaaayer super plaaayer is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 1:35pm) in reply to DrDankRx23

    Doubt I would fold this to someone who open shoves KQo w 26bb from mp, esp when ive been active. The BB's prolly got u crushed, but you still have a 40k side pot v the sb shover, you have a huge stack, etc etc, id snap.
     
  26. duffer230 duffer230 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 2:26pm) in reply to super plaaayer

    Im a NIT so I fold.. but I'll like these theories for calling and it sounds reasonable
  27. mattdb9er mattdb9er is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 3:55pm) in reply to super plaaayer

     
    Originally Posted by super plaaayer View Post

    Doubt I would fold this to someone who open shoves KQo w 26bb from mp, esp when ive been active. The BB's prolly got u crushed, but you still have a 40k side pot v the sb shover, you have a huge stack, etc etc, id snap.

    i was thinking the same , ur previous read on him had him open shoving 26bbs effective with KQo i think u can def be ahead of his 20bb reshove range, good chance u can be ahead of his shove and flipping with the shorty when he flips up 99 or 1010, especially with ur image being active
    Edited By: mattdb9er Dec 31st, 2010 at 03:57 PM
     
  28. timorm1 timorm1 is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 5:28pm) in reply to mojo504

     
    Originally Posted by mojo504 View Post

    oh sorry i forgot to put what my image is. at this table i've been pretty active but i hadnt done anything completely outta line and prior to this hand i opened from utg/utg+1 the past 2-3 orbits

    this makes it a snap
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  29. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Dec 31st, 2010 (12/31/2010 5:37pm) in reply to timorm1

    seems like a call given EP raise history, shorty's call off, and the KQo 26BB shove earlier
     
  30. mojo504 mojo504 is offline

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    Jan 1st, 2011 (1/1/2011 11:19pm) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    for those that say fold, what's my calling range here
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