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  1. Chipsteela Chipsteela is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:03pm)

    I have been a member of the p5s community for several months now, but have not posted yet on the forums. I respect this community as it has provided me with invaluable advice in my quest to become a profitable online poker player. This being said I wanted to here some feedback on a hand that went down during the final table of the tilt 400k last sunday night. I have noticed lately that at many huge final tables such as the Sunday Million people are making unquestionably -EV calls for a large percentage of their stacks, or shoves w weak aces when there stack has well over enough blinds to play solid poker, and easily move up in the money or take down the tourney outright. Before you read this HH know that I had been playing very solid poker while playing w the villain, only showing down very big hands and folding several times to reraises preflop. Given this information Check out this hand and tell me whether u think this was a good call made by ibluffuout for a good percentage of his stack, who coincidentally made the final of both the tilt 400k and stars sunday mil. Disregard the final result, as it left me wanting to throw up all over my computer and throw my comp out the fukin window.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #2169808919: $400,000 Guarantee (15786157), Table 25 - 12000/24000 Ante 3000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:09:58 ET - 2007/04/09

    Seat 1: Antoshka (867,021)

    Seat 2: ChipSteela (646,543)

    Seat 3: IBluffUOut4 (1,038,368)

    Seat 4: I_shivagit (638,492)

    Seat 6: SirGutShot (956,948)

    Seat 7: Gaelic800 (1,349,968)

    Seat 9: SDPOKERSTUD (388,660)

    Antoshka antes 3,000

    ChipSteela antes 3,000

    IBluffUOut4 antes 3,000

    I_shivagit antes 3,000

    SirGutShot antes 3,000

    Gaelic800 antes 3,000

    SDPOKERSTUD antes 3,000

    Gaelic800 posts the small blind of 12,000

    SDPOKERSTUD posts the big blind of 24,000

    The button is in seat #6

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Antoshka folds

    ChipSteela raises to 72,000

    IBluffUOut4 raises to 192,000

    ChipSteela: i choose me

    I_shivagit folds

    SirGutShot folds

    Gaelic800 folds

    SDPOKERSTUD folds

    ChipSteela raises to 643,543, and is all in

    IBluffUOut4 calls 451,543

    ChipSteela shows [Ad As]

    IBluffUOut4 shows [Ah Qh]

    *** FLOP *** [2h Kd 5d]

    *** TURN *** [2h Kd 5d] [Kh]

    *** RIVER *** [2h Kd 5d Kh] [6h]

    ChipSteela shows two pair, Aces and Kings

    IBluffUOut4 shows a flush, Ace high

    IBluffUOut4 wins the pot (1,344,086) with a flush, Ace high

    ChipSteela stands up

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 1,344,086 | Rake 0

    Board: [2h Kd 5d Kh 6h]

    Seat 1: Antoshka folded before the Flop

    Seat 2: ChipSteela showed [Ad As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings

    Seat 3: IBluffUOut4 showed [Ah Qh] and won (1,344,086) with a flush, Ace high

    Seat 4: I_shivagit folded before the Flop

    Seat 6: SirGutShot (button) folded before the Flop

    Seat 7: Gaelic800 (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 9: SDPOKERSTUD (big blind) folded before the Flop
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  2. Wrongshui Wrongshui is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:07pm) in reply to Chipsteela

    he got there by being hyper aggressive, and donked off all of his chips by the same too.

    he luckboxed his way to the ft on stars as well.

    Not to say he isnt a good player, he's just an incredibly lucky one, with no sense of reads or caring what he calls hands down with
  3. computerb computerb is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:21pm) in reply to Wrongshui

    You pays your nickel and you takes your chances. You don't want that call?
  4. DuDuDier DuDuDier is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:27pm) in reply to computerb

    of course you dont want that call. he hit his flush.

    flush > two pair.
  5. fish fish is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:31pm) in reply to computerb

    i don't like his play at all

    u raised from 2nd pos. and re-shoved him i don't see how he can possibly think AQ is good
     
  6. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:34pm) in reply to fish

    that is where u sigh you throw ur computer and then u consume as much alcohol as possible and cry in a corner
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  7. falcon091480 falcon091480 is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:35pm) in reply to DuDuDier

    I have seen worse calls and he already had 200k invested so I dont think It was that bad of a call.
  8. Retributi0n Retributi0n is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:37pm) in reply to Chipsteela

    obv he was 99.9% sure you had JJ, he hit the .1% chance, perfect play by him
  9. roo_400 roo_400 is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:41pm) in reply to Chipsteela

    being 6 handed, having chips even if he loses and getting 2:1 on his money, this is a call for most aggro players as they represent worst hands than others and thus get play back at with worst hands too.
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  10. Retributi0n Retributi0n is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:46pm) in reply to roo_400

    i believe it was 7 headed... but even with an aggro image, iono about that call at those stakes... from what ive read on here about those tournies is that the play gets much more intense and people get better at making those kinds of lays (if the person is good). but at the same time isnt that the same thing someone could/would do with air if he thought the other person folds? (again, at those stakes)
  11. Chipsteela Chipsteela is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:55pm) in reply to DuDuDier

    The topic of this post was not regarding whether or not i wanted the call, believe me i did. The question is whether or not this is a good call for more than half of your stack against a more solid tight playing opponent such as myself, with what i would consider a marginal hand in this situation. A hand i consider to be overplayed very often in mtts, as u often do run into AK, KK, or even AA, and at best you are racing without the best odds to do so.
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