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  1. TammiM68 TammiM68 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:35pm)

    Originally, I was pissed about FTP letting yet another opponent come from a 2:1 deficit to win the hand......but then I wondered if his play was correct. I hate to admit it but I think it is based on his pot odds and his stack size ...just looking for some thoughts and a bit of clarification on how to calculate when I should be making these kinds of calls myself to make this a profitable play over the long run.

    Thanks.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #16383053672: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (121137637), Table 5 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:10:56 ET - 2009/11/28

    Seat 2: jumacerna (3,095)

    Seat 3: big ed473 (3,185)

    Seat 4: turco19811 (2,660)

    Seat 5: Shooter183 (3,460)

    Seat 6: TammiM68 (1,620)

    Seat 7: coop1013 (4,305)

    Seat 8: ladyfra (1,410)

    Seat 9: CHNGEARS (2,723)

    coop1013 posts the small blind of 60

    ladyfra posts the big blind of 120

    The button is in seat #6

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to TammiM68 [8h 8c]

    CHNGEARS folds

    jumacerna raises to 240

    big ed473 calls 240

    turco19811 folds

    Shooter183 calls 240

    TammiM68 calls 240

    coop1013 has 15 seconds left to act

    coop1013 calls 180

    ladyfra has been disconnected

    ladyfra has reconnected

    ladyfra calls 120

    *** FLOP *** [8s 5d 2s]

    coop1013 checks

    ladyfra checks

    jumacerna has 15 seconds left to act

    jumacerna has timed out

    jumacerna checks

    big ed473 checks

    Shooter183 checks

    TammiM68 bets 1,380, and is all in

    coop1013 calls 1,380

    ladyfra folds

    jumacerna folds

    jumacerna is sitting out

    big ed473 folds

    Shooter183 folds

    TammiM68 shows [8h 8c]

    coop1013 shows [5s 9s]

    *** TURN *** [8s 5d 2s] [6s]

    *** RIVER *** [8s 5d 2s 6s] [Ac]

    TammiM68 shows three of a kind, Eights

    coop1013 shows a flush, Nine high

    coop1013 wins the pot (4,200) with a flush, Nine high
  2. Nickc011 Nickc011 is offline The Law

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:37pm) in reply to TammiM68

    Theres 1,440 already in the pot... I dont see anyway that hes not getting it in there with a pair and a flush draw. <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
     
  3. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:38pm) in reply to TammiM68

    I think I last folded a pair and a flush draw when Reagan was president.
     
  4. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:42pm) in reply to Wein

     
    Originally Posted by Wein View Post

    I think I last folded a pair and a flush draw when Reagan was president.

    Ronal Reagan? The actor?

    And no I wouldn't fold his hand either.

    Also, shove pre.
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  5. MDG0RD0N MDG0RD0N is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:42pm) in reply to TammiM68

    Shove pre, there's a ton of money in the pot before it gets to you, and you can probably scoop it up without a fight. You don't have odds to set mine, and jamming is way better than folding. EZ game.
  6. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 8:58pm) in reply to MDG0RD0N

    Shove pre. And the villain played his hand correctly as well, especially since he probably put you on an over pair or two overcards. If the villain assumes you have an overpair the villain has 14 outs and should be calling every time.
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  7. fratboy247 fratboy247 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 9:17pm) in reply to TammiM68

    shove pre , as played, dont shove the flop
     
  8. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 9:18pm) in reply to TammiM68

    Did anyone say shove pre?
     
  9. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 9:22pm) in reply to fratboy247

     
    Originally Posted by fratboy247 View Post

    shove pre , as played, dont shove the flop

    I disagree. You have the best hand on the flop and it's a draw heavy board with a huge pot relative to your remaining chips. Shove the flop and hope to push out most of the flush draws.
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  10. fratboy247 fratboy247 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 9:40pm) in reply to tyson219

    bet 420, and dont be scurred
     
  11. zeppelinzoso16 zeppelinzoso16 is offline world traveler

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 9:50pm) in reply to fratboy247

     
    Originally Posted by fratboy247 View Post

    dont shove the flop

    agreed, I usually check fold the nuts. Pretty standard

    I know that makes little sense to the average noob but in poker it is so important to control your emotions. When you flop the nuts and get bad beat it can easily tilt the strongest of minds. If you avoid these situations of potential bad beats your mood will thank you later. Tilt free poker FTW
  12. Neek Neek is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 10:26pm) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

    Shove pre, don't shove flop, bet, call shove, or shove turn if he calls your bet. There is no way your opponent is folding a pair and a flush draw vs. you and your short stack.
     
  13. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 10:36pm) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

     
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post


    agreed, I usually check fold the nuts. Pretty standard

    I know that makes little sense to the average noob but in poker it is so important to control your emotions. When you flop the nuts and get bad beat it can easily tilt the strongest of minds. If you avoid these situations of potential bad beats your mood will thank you later. Tilt free poker FTW

    Normally, yes check/raise the flop. But this is 7 handed and the first 5 players checked. I'm not checking and hoping the the last person to act will bet at the pot and risk the other 5 getting a free card on a draw heavy board.

    edit: especially when remaining stack is <1400 and pot is ~1700
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  14. zeppelinzoso16 zeppelinzoso16 is offline world traveler

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 10:47pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Normally, yes check/raise the flop. But this is 7 handed and the first 5 players checked. I'm not checking and hoping the the last person to act will bet at the pot and risk the other 5 getting a free card on a draw heavy board.

    edit: especially when remaining stack is <1400 and pot is ~1700

    should probably read my post again, was a joke

    I agree, I am pushing 100% of the time here
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