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obvious shove? sun warmup ft bubble

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  1. GrimeRat420 GrimeRat420 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 2:47am)

    This is an obvious shove right? not sure how else to play this. ten people left in the warmup. BB is a nit-donk gives up every bb

    pokerstars Game #48215320615: Tournament #325020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (100000/200000) - 2010/08/15 22:11:14 ET
    Table '325020016 9' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: justpartime6 (6572272 in chips)
    Seat 2: hierki (2301976 in chips)
    Seat 4: Al K. Holick (4294727 in chips)
    Seat 6: Shamus888 (2380158 in chips)
    Seat 8: GrimeRat420 (3693718 in chips)
    justpartime6: posts the ante 20000
    hierki: posts the ante 20000
    Al K. Holick: posts the ante 20000
    Shamus888: posts the ante 20000
    GrimeRat420: posts the ante 20000
    justpartime6: posts small blind 100000
    hierki: posts big blind 200000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GrimeRat420 [Ad 8s]
    Al K. Holick: folds
    Shamus888: folds
    GrimeRat420: raises 3473718 to 3673718 and is all-in
    justpartime6: raises 2878554 to 6552272 and is all-in
    hierki: folds
    Uncalled bet (2878554) returned to justpartime6
    *** FLOP *** [8c Qd Ah]
    *** TURN *** [8c Qd Ah] [3s]
    *** RIVER *** [8c Qd Ah 3s] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    justpartime6: shows [Ac Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
    GrimeRat420: shows [Ad 8s] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
    justpartime6 collected 7647436 from pot
     
  2. 88XIN88 88XIN88 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 2:52am) in reply to GrimeRat420

    Easy shove. Cooler, unlucky so deep.
     
  3. iPlayTourneys iPlayTourneys is online now

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 3:12am) in reply to 88XIN88

    Yeah, just suck that it happens at this time. I like that you shove and not nit out in order to climb up in payjumps. Especially in structured events like this you need to gable as much as you can and take any positive edge available
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 3:14am) in reply to iPlayTourneys

    prob better off raise/folding tbh; you can call if he's been abusing the bubble and being really aggressive. i just don't like shoving 18+ bbs here with such a marginal hand when theres plenty other stacks shorter than you left
    Edited By: thedylan Aug 21st, 2010 at 03:15 AM
     
  5. GrimeRat420 GrimeRat420 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 3:30am) in reply to thedylan

     
    Originally Posted by thedylan View Post

    prob better off raise/folding tbh; you can call if he's been abusing the bubble and being really aggressive. i just don't like shoving 18+ bbs here with such a marginal hand when theres plenty other stacks shorter than you left

    really? what a nit haha :D if im raising and not shoving it would be to something small just to induce a lighter shove
     
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  6. thedylan thedylan is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 3:35am) in reply to GrimeRat420

    yea correct like 450k or somethin. trust me, im not one to raise/fold a stack like that, but if you don't do it often its not as bad as it looks. im happier raising and going from there then shoving to pick up 400k or get called and be in bad shape
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 4:34am) in reply to thedylan

    ya never raise fold in that spot obviously.
    iam getting all thes hands in there..22+ A2s+ A7o+ A5o-A4o K2s+ KTo+ Q6s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:16am) in reply to DrDankRx23

    if BB is a nit-donk doubt im shoving
    call me a donk when at the FT bubble of a sunday major i revert back to 2008 and would r/f this.
     
  9. djames88 djames88 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:25am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    I agree w/ ribo, if he is a nit like you say...Theres no need to be jamming there...Just open and if hes a nit and he jams, u know ur a8 is crushed...If it was a super active guy w/ a huge 3 bet thats when u want to be jamming unless ur trying to induce some type of spaz 3 bet jam..
     
  10. zonarounder zonarounder is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:37am) in reply to djames88

    tbh I would probably just open muck this.
     
  11. litlebullet litlebullet is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:41am) in reply to zonarounder

     
    Originally Posted by zonarounder View Post

    tbh I would probably just open muck this.

    surely you jest. did you notice we're on the button!!!
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:46am) in reply to litlebullet

    I did. Did you realize this is the sunday warmup? yes it's nitty but I think shoving is real bad and I think raise folding is bad. so just fold
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:47am) in reply to zonarounder

     
    Originally Posted by zonarounder View Post

    tbh I would probably just open muck this.

    lol 5handed open-fold here? naaaah. ive been minraising the whole tourney so i probly shoulda just done that, bb isnt playing back at me light, but i think sb might be, considering id been minraising every button
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 6:02am) in reply to GrimeRat420

    shove pre
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 7:02am) in reply to ricardogcl

    shoving cant rly be bad here. if u have been just minraising i wuld jus min raise/fold if bb is that tight,,
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 7:21am) in reply to zonarounder

     
    Originally Posted by zonarounder View Post

    I did. Did you realize this is the sunday warmup? yes it's nitty but I think shoving is real bad and I think raise folding is bad. so just fold

    i don't play stuff like the warmup very often and if I was in this spot, hell yes the $$$ would mean a whole lot to me but open folding a8 from the button just sounds real bad and really scared.
    i don't think raise/ folding is awful here either you are underestimating how often it would work. I do think this is a shove however.
    Edited By: litlebullet Aug 21st, 2010 at 07:23 AM
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 11:06am) in reply to litlebullet

    Folding would be terrible. Shoving is unexploitable by a long shot, so it can't ever be bad and will always be superior to folding. Raise/folding may be superior given current table dynamics though. How often has sb been folding to your min raises, and/or reraising other players on the table?
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 4:29pm) in reply to Raoeoiku

    SB is the CLer on the table. How was he playing? If he isn't likely to resteal here then we can r/f to both, however. r/f A8s feels terrible to me if they are even a little aggressive..

    I shove > r/f > r/c > openfold.....
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 5:08pm) in reply to iPlayTourneys

    raise/fold v bb and raise/call v sb seems fine- as said by others, shoving would never be its just not optimal here
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 7:50pm) in reply to siola

    i think raise fold is way too exploitable here by the SB...put yourself in the SB's position, you see a button raise, and in that spot if i'm the SB i'm shoving any two on FT bubble on warmup...so shove is fine imo....fold is too nitty, and raise fold too exploitable
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 9:00pm) in reply to kcreaction23x

     
    Originally Posted by kcreaction23x View Post

    i think raise fold is way too exploitable here by the SB...put yourself in the SB's position, you see a button raise, and in that spot if i'm the SB i'm shoving any two on FT bubble on warmup...so shove is fine imo....fold is too nitty, and raise fold too exploitable

    thats why we call.......
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 10:50pm) in reply to siola

    ^^ what siola is saying....Your talking about being exploited by r/folding but thats not the issue here...You can easily raise/call the sb but why jam your stack if your only going to get called and be crushed by the SB where as if you raise, and hes a nit like we think he is....hes just folding..or 3betting and we can safely assume were behind...we don't need to take a super volatile line against nits.
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 10:57pm) in reply to djames88

    Yeah I understand what Siola is saying...but imo FT bubble of warmup is not a time to be 60/40 vs. the SB's 10/9 and lose after you raise and call
     
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 11:18pm) in reply to kcreaction23x

     
    Originally Posted by kcreaction23x View Post

    Yeah I understand what Siola is saying...but imo FT bubble of warmup is not a time to be 60/40 vs. the SB's 10/9 and lose after you raise and call

    LOL wut
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    Aug 21st, 2010 (8/21/2010 11:30pm) in reply to ACgaming

    def agree with the jam, just UL i guess that he would have aq there, but would have been sick to ft and bink this for sure, glgl
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    Aug 22nd, 2010 (8/22/2010 3:11am) in reply to Kronicdealer

    I like a r/f here too and maybe call vs the sb if he's aggro. Just a marginal shove spot on a ft bubble of a sunday major which I think you should pass up now
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    Aug 22nd, 2010 (8/22/2010 3:23am) in reply to The Lab Rat

    i dont rly like the shove, its probably barely profitable vs their calling ranges and its def very far from optimal
     
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    Aug 22nd, 2010 (8/22/2010 4:06am) in reply to siola

     
    Originally Posted by siola View Post

    thats why we call.......

    yeah but wtf is a8 dominating, often a split against a weaker ace anyway, its just gives the sb to shove hands like small pp and j10 suited type hands to shove, when in reality would be much safer to just shove rather than raise/call here. just ul u ran into aq and couldnt bink it
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