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  1. Liquidiamnds Liquidiamnds is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 8:11pm)

    I've heard from both online and live pro's that you can't win a tournament w/o winning your races.

    How true is this statement? Are their ways to avoid races and win tournaments? Playing more flops, well timed 3-bets, 4-bets, steals through an entire MTT? Or is it just impossible to take down a tourney without winning some races? Should you avoid too many races? Or should you be looking for those spots to double up? Now I know the answer may change depending on stack sizes, point in the tournament, and your M, but hopefully you understand my question.

    I only ask because I find myself wondering if I can avoid those situations because fact is, every time you are racing - you're going to lose 50% of the time.
    Edited By: Liquidiamnds Oct 5th, 2010 at 08:13 PM
  2. super plaaayer super plaaayer is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 8:14pm) in reply to Liquidiamnds

    Win flips, win tourneys.
     
  3. ImLikeWhoaa ImLikeWhoaa is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 8:59pm) in reply to super plaaayer

    Now...just because you get in a flip doesnt mean it has to be for 100% of your stack...theres your prob m8
     
  4. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 11:14pm) in reply to ImLikeWhoaa

    Have to suckout huge at least once.
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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 11:24pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Have to suckout huge at least once.

    Probably 2+
  6. Liquidiamnds Liquidiamnds is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 4:21am) in reply to ImLikeWhoaa

     
    Originally Posted by ImLikeWhoaa View Post

    Now...just because you get in a flip doesnt mean it has to be for 100% of your stack...theres your prob m8

    Even if it wasn't for your stack... if you lose a lot of races, you're done right? Just wondering if it's possible to avoid races period.
    Edited By: Liquidiamnds Oct 6th, 2010 at 04:22 AM
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  7. ShOrTy25 ShOrTy25 is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 4:44am) in reply to Liquidiamnds

    PM Flippio Candio
     
  8. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 5:20am) in reply to Liquidiamnds

     
    Originally Posted by Liquidiamnds View Post

    Even if it wasn't for your stack... if you lose a lot of races, you're done right? Just wondering if it's possible to avoid races period.

    Not really... if you're avoiding flips altogether, you're folding a lot of good hands
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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 5:48am) in reply to SlayNL

    gotta win races to win mtts
     
  10. Ace10Suted Ace10Suted is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 6:50am) in reply to Liquidiamnds

     
    Originally Posted by Liquidiamnds View Post

    Even if it wasn't for your stack... if you lose a lot of races, you're done right? Just wondering if it's possible to avoid races period.

    I'm kind of a proponent of this logic...that you're only mathematically supposed to win 1 out of 2 flips so if you keep putting yourself in flips then you can't run in tourneys unless you happen to go on some ungodly like 5 in a row flip heater. So I used to try to stay out of them for big pots...but this just led to me min cashing....so I started taking them...and I still mincash a lot. So I haven't found either side of the "to play flips or not to play flips" any better for myself.
  11. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 7:10am) in reply to Ace10Suted

    It's theoretically possible to avoid flips. You quite often hear in live tourneys "this is the 1st time I've been all in for the whole tourney" and that might be after 3-4 days! It goes without saying that it's all about picking your spots. In my experience, I've never won a tourney without winning at least 1 or 2 flips.
  12. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Oct 6th, 2010 (10/6/2010 7:15am) in reply to SlayNL

    If you aren't taking flips you are playing way too tight. Unless you're getting run over by the deck I don't see any way you can win a tournament playing like this.
     
  13. Liquidiamnds Liquidiamnds is offline

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    Oct 8th, 2010 (10/8/2010 3:07am) in reply to mdshack14

    Good info. Thanks for your help guys. Sounds like I shouldn't be avoiding them, but still picking my spots.
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