[agilles]

Anyone know of some good BR builders on either/both sites?

I blew threw 3k playing MTTS/Cash on MERGE not using an adequate BR. I'm looking to start with $200 and see wha tI can do with it. I guess I was too used to firing up w/e I wanted, as I used to on FTP. Guess those days are gone...

Thanks!

[JaySpo]

I tried grinding the SnG's on merge like i used to on UB. It's very frustrating. The games take forever to fill up and you def can't get as many tables up and running as your prob used to.

I ended up grinding out a modest roll (started with $100 got up over $500) but then spewed it all back because I got bored waiting on games and tried to move up in stakes.

[bwalz]

 

Originally Posted by JaySpo

I tried grinding the SnG's on merge like i used to on UB. It's very frustrating. The games take forever to fill up and you def can't get as many tables up and running as your prob used to.

I ended up grinding out a modest roll (started with $100 got up over $500) but then spewed it all back because I got bored waiting on games and tried to move up in stakes.

Do you mind if I ask which sng format you were playing? I have played 60ish (small sample i know) of the super turbos & they seem really high variance compared to ft, ub & bovada structure. Being the lack of traffic I don't even know if it's worth figuring out optimal strategy for them, especially since there's a pretty top heavy rewards program on there also.

[JaySpo]

 

Originally Posted by bwalz

Do you mind if I ask which sng format you were playing? I have played 60ish (small sample i know) of the super turbos & they seem really high variance compared to ft, ub & bovada structure. Being the lack of traffic I don't even know if it's worth figuring out optimal strategy for them, especially since there's a pretty top heavy rewards program on there also.

I honestly tried a little bit of everything on merge to see what was most grindable. I have a sample size of over a thousand SnG's on there.

I tried the super turbos (i was doing mostly the $2.16's), the structure was terrible and you're right, the variance is brutal. The only good thing i can say about the super turbos is they fill up very quickly so if you want to get in any kind of volume they would be your best bet.

I moved to the turbo and bounty SnG's (mostly $2.20's), which normally wouldn't be my first choice, but it seemed to cut the variance down a little bit. They take longer to fill though, which led to me being bored and playing higher stakes just so i could play more tables.

I guess it's better than nothing but i've stopped playing them for now, trying to figure out what my next move will be on merge.

[SSG]

as title suggest..

for example 11r. and 11cube..
they can't be count as 11$ tournament for BRM purposes, can they?

so what would they be classify as?

cheers

[tyson219 Moderator]

A cubed will count as 3*buyin and a quad as 4*buyin. In the case of a 10c = $31 or 10q = $41. For an unlimited rebuy, use the average number of buyins. A general rule of thumb is about 5. So a 10r counts as a $51

[SSG]

 

Originally Posted by tyson219

A cubed will count as 3*buyin and a quad as 4*buyin. In the case of a 10c = $31 or 10q = $41. For an unlimited rebuy, use the average number of buyins. A general rule of thumb is about 5. So a 10r counts as a $51

okay.i see..
so if we use 200buy rule..and we wanted to comfortably play the 11r. then we need a BR of 50*200=10k?
and if we wanted to comfortably play the 11c. then we need a BR of 30*200=6k?

[tyson219 Moderator]

If you want to use the 200 rule, yeah. Seems a bit much though, tbh. 150 should be more than enough.

[Monsters14]

I have just joined the site and I am fairly new to online poker. I'm starting a grind using the good bankroll management to see if a faily average player such as myself can get a large bank. My current bank roll stands at $285 and I hoping to have a bankroll of around $50,000 by the end of 2012, ambitious? Possibly. The bank roll management rules I will be using are as follows:
I will only play 6 handed regular NLHE on pokerstars at a stakes that represents a maximum buy in that allows me to have 30 buy ins in my bankroll.
I will not play any turbo tournaments, only regular structure with a buy in that does not exceed 2% of my total bankroll.
When selecting cash tables I will look for highest % players to flop in an attempt to play mostly lose aggressive players.
If at any time I find myself sitting at a table with more than 10% of my bankroll I will leave and open another table.
I will not play more than 4 tables at any one time.
I will only play cash or tournaments, not a mixture of the two and all cash tables will be at the same stake for all four tables.

My name is monsters14 on pokerstars, any advice on the above rules and if they should be changed in anyway please comment, or please comment with stories of bankroll management working for you?

[BenFaz]

Anything is possible if you put your mind to it.. Probably suggest not playing any MTTs untill you have built your roll.. play the small 1.50 90 mans or the 2.50 90 mans if there is any. There is to much variance in the small stakes mtts with 5k+ runners for your BR.

watch vids / try making friends with people who play aswell to talk through hands. GL

[smokerock247]

285 bucks.... id play 150 45 mans

at the very beginning of this year, I didnt event want to play poker, i was very discouraged.. my coach/friend sent me 15 bucks on jan 1 and said "play with this"... I played .50 cent 45/90 mans, moved up to 1$ 90 man's in a week... then I took a shot in a 2$ mtt, shipped that for 1850, 2 nights later finished 2nd in a 2r for 450, next night shipped a 3r on party for 650, next night finished 3rd in the nightly 30k for 4.2k and the very next night shipped a 55 freeze for 3,1k.. made 10k last week and now im playing everything with comfort and confidence.. not bad for starting the month with 15$ a friend sent me mostly out of pity

not trying to be a brag post, but its mean t be inspiration.. if I can do it, anyone can.. you just need to believe in yourself, your game and have the heart and love for the game and you will make money and love doing it.


in conclusion, yes BRM is important, but playing well, understanding the game, and having fun doing it is actually way more important long term in regards to making money

You can be the biggest BR nit known to man, but you will never make any money if you ever stop learning and loving the game.

glglglgl Edited By: smokerock247 Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:49 PM

[BenFaz]

nice one smokerock pretty sick

[Geraldo22]

nice story rock, guess it puts mine to shame: went busto a few years back, mate sent me like $13 bucks lol, i bust that obv!
logged in next day to see oh wait im not busto i have 67c, anyway, so i take that to 2/4c limit, eventually adding more tables as i won. ended up at like 8 bucks, so took a one hitter in the 3rb, then obv going on to ship it for 5.2k. was very busto to semi robusto.

Oh and with $285, play $4.50 180s, if u go bust, get a job obv. glglglg

[smokerock247]

 

Originally Posted by BenFaz

nice one smokerock pretty sick

 

Originally Posted by Geraldo22

nice story rock, guess it puts mine to shame: went busto a few years back, mate sent me like $13 bucks lol, i bust that obv!
logged in next day to see oh wait im not busto i have 67c, anyway, so i take that to 2/4c limit, eventually adding more tables as i won. ended up at like 8 bucks, so took a one hitter in the 3rb, then obv going on to ship it for 5.2k. was very busto to semi robusto.

Oh and with $285, play $4.50 180s, if u go bust, get a job obv. glglglg

haha thanx...

as for BR actual advice, ive searched this pretty extensively and found alot of different awnsers

for sng's 40 buy ins is fine, mtt's 100+

glglgl

[OMGiseetrees]

Im 19, been playing poker about...2 years and want to go pro by next year...
I'm mainly an online player, but love playing live also. i have an online bankroll of about $840 and within 5-6 months i want to have like 3k?
I have always been a cash game player, but to build a bankroll..do i have to play other forms...sit n gos...big tourns? and is wanting a 3k bankroll being way too optimistic?

Thanks!

[RhoNin]

considering your br most ppl are gonna suggest 4.50 180mans on stars. wouldnt consider it "too optimistic" either if ur a decent player

[L3goH3ad]

I plan on grinding the 18 man turbo's on stars ($3.50/$7) and i'd like to know if 100 BI's is enough? I will be 8 tabling if this makes a difference. Thanks.

[tyson219 Moderator]

 

Originally Posted by L3goH3ad

I plan on grinding the 18 man turbo's on stars ($3.50/$7) and i'd like to know if 100 BI's is enough? I will be 8 tabling if this makes a difference. Thanks.

That should be more than enough. Pretty sure you can play 180s/MTTs with 100-150 buyins and 9 mans with <50 buyins. I would think the 50-75 range is more than enough to play 18 man turbos.

[ReaM]

My rules would be 2% per day on all buy ins as a maximum for tournaments. Time is actually an important factor. It does matter if you blow up today or tomorrow unlike some books suggest.

A cash game with 1 - 2 dollar stakes would need a br of about $10,000.

I derived these rules from trading background that I come from and I am pretty sure these rules will keep your volatility and the risk of ruin to the minimum.

These rules are more important the bigger you br is. Edited By: ReaM Feb 15th, 2012 at 06:54 PM

[tyson219 Moderator]

 

Originally Posted by ReaM

My rules would be 2% per day on all buy ins as a maximum for tournaments.

A cash game with 1 - 2 dollar stakes would need a br of about $10,000.

I derived these rules from trading background that I come from and I am pretty sure these rules will keep your volatility and the risk of ruin to the minimum.

The per day doesn't matter. Each tournament is a separate event. If you played 1000 SNGs in a day, would each one be .002% of your bankroll so as not to exceed the 2% limit? No...

[ReaM]

Of course, they are separate events and it does not matter if you play four games today or two today and two tomorrow, however for the following reasons I would recommend it: (1) one might face tougher players at one day (2) Saves money when playing offline at a table where people cheat (3) Prevents form going on tilt and loosing even more and (4) the most important is that everything is time based, your skill, life etc. It does matter, if you loose everything today or over the course of six months. You have time to do other decisions (like quitting poker).

You do know playing 1000 SNGs at only a 0.1% risk you run into a risk of loosing all your money in one day?

Of course, if one is very good at poker, he is most likely to get back the buy ins, so he can up his risk by a lot, but a beginner playing 1000 sngs per day at 0.1% will soon loose all his money with a 100% certainty, long before he becomes profitable. Edited By: ReaM Feb 15th, 2012 at 08:24 PM

[DoNk3y F3sT]

hello People ive not played on stars properly for a while so im thinking of depositing 500 $ in the next few days what games should i be looking at playing with a 500 $ roll .

Thanks

DoM

[BelieveIt Scammer]

if i intend to 4 table NLHE 6max cash games, what kinds of bankroll guidelines should i be following, assuming i'm buying in for the full amount on each table. Edited By: BelieveIt Feb 17th, 2012 at 09:53 PM

[smokerock247]

100 BI's for cash...

[D_d_me_001]

 

Originally Posted by smokerock247

100 BI's for cash...

wouldn't it be better to use less BI rule eg 30 and be more disiplined to move down at a certain level of BI's ....eg down at 20? or 25 or if you really want a good shot
up at 50 down at 30 ?
btw this is not my opinion.....just a question for ppl who have more experience.

[wackyJaxon Admin X]

 

Originally Posted by D_d_me_001

wouldn't it be better to use less BI rule eg 30 and be more disiplined to move down at a certain level of BI's ....eg down at 20? or 25 or if you really want a good shot
up at 50 down at 30 ?
btw this is not my opinion.....just a question for ppl who have more experience.

30 is fine imo if one tabling and moving up and down limits as your bankroll provides. If lets say 20 tabling cash games, I would say add another 1 to 2 buyins per table you are adding depending how conservative you are. I would say someone 20 tabling should have 60-80 buyins though to be safe, but wondering if any 20 tabling cash game players have a difference of opinion

[yjbrewer]

What is recommended for multi tabling DoNs

[mcmarkrazz]

ok ive been playin poker for many years so im sure im gonna get bashed to death here but here it goes anyway ..what the hell do you mean by bank role management anyway.. i mean if my fund get low i play some smaller by in mtt's obv for an easier score but besides that i really dont get how these threads are saying poker is all about bank role mangement ..or its the most important part of poker lmao ..im sorry i just dont see it or get it..i understand its important to mange your money but how important is it really..whats important to me is money in account , cash-out , then make more..

[mdshack14]

Bankroll management is crucial for any player that wants to be successful. It's about playing at buy in levels that will allow you go go through a down swing or two and not drain your roll. There are many threads here about what is the proper buy in to BR so I would suggest trying to find those. Point being....if you find yourself depositing over and over again they you're playing too high.

[OneTime_10]

Go sit at high stakes cash games then, lemme know how it goes