[boneralert]

Think it would depend a lot on the the tournaments youre sattying into, like the field size, your expected ROI, etc.

[jbauk]

these satelittes are SNG satelittes where there is only 6 players at the table and top 2 people gain entry to the event whilst 3rd gets a VERY,VERY small prize IE $0.10 or so for a $3.50 entry.

[Staniz]

i would rather recommend 200 then 100bb, maybe even more

[JonBon-10]

Just wondering if there are any thoughts on the ideal bankroll for playing the $3-rebuy turbo 180 mans on stars, or the $8 turbos? Anybody here play them regularly? Would be cool to discuss some strategy if you were interested, as hoping to step up from $2.50 turbos? Edited By: JonBon-10 May 12th, 2012 at 10:45 PM

[jbauk]

if you are a profitable player i would say that $1,000 is enough for the $8 turbos. As for the $3+r i think that you should think how many times you are likely to rebuy as a maximum for instance 8 times ? and then times 8 by the buy in ( 3 ) which equals $24 then times this number by 100. so around $1k for the 8 turbos and around 2k for the $3 rebuys

[tjmullen07]

Do you really need to save up a bankroll to stay in these stakes or can you just run good once with a 300 dollar bankroll and be able to stay in these stakes if you are truly a dominant poker player? Cuz I consider myself a great poker player But I am not sure If i should wait a long time before I go back to the casino and start grinding or If that would be a waste of time and maybe i should continue taking each pay check to the casino.

I went last night and all in for 360 dollars (my entire roll) I have AhJs villain has KhQs on JH10h4h10c board ( gives me 75% to win) he hit the 9 my roll busted.

But the real question is was it worth it? or should I have not played in the first place. Would it be smart to wait 4-5 pay checks then go back and play again ( thats like 3 months) or go right back next week and maybe i get in the same situation and it goes good as it should. What would a pro grinder do? Im trying to be a pro player and thats that.

[UPayMeOff]

im just wondering what the pocket5's community thinks what the best way too build your br is.

[chrisp200]

its different for everyone. You have to find what your niche is. A lot of people start with sngs tho. I would suggest learning 27 mans, 45 mans, 180 mans...but I dont even know what runs on stars anymore. But again this is different for everyone, what is your experience level and what have you had success with? Cash game? SNGs? MTTS?

[cracker9ball]

 

Originally Posted by chrisp200

its different for everyone. You have to find what your niche is. A lot of people start with sngs tho. I would suggest learning 27 mans, 45 mans, 180 mans...but I dont even know what runs on stars anymore. But again this is different for everyone, what is your experience level and what have you had success with? Cash game? SNGs? MTTS?

This exactly. Work on your game daily and use strict BRM

[UPayMeOff]

lol i personally love cash games, i usually play sit n gos and tourneys though because its alot of money in one shot lol . i like playing 180 man sit n gos though because they go by pretty quick

[djdoodoo]

Putting in the time on and off the pitch. Cash games are easiest in my opinion however the 18+ sngs are easy as well.

[chrisp200]

 

Originally Posted by UPayMeOff

lol i personally love cash games, i usually play sit n gos and tourneys though because its alot of money in one shot lol . i like playing 180 man sit n gos though because they go by pretty quick

The best advice I can give you, no matter what games you pick, is sign up for a training site and learn the game right. The reason why money can still be made online is because a lot of people think they have a naturally ability at poker, which in my experience it seems to be rarely true. Go over a bankroll management chart and stick to it!! Try to skype with players and discuss hands. You can do all this stuff, or if you just want to have fun and not make any money don't do any of it. So jealous that you still have a good poker site to play on.

[RhoNin]

im playing those (2.50$) 180s right now to build mine. it works pretty well, but you have to calc in 100 buy-in downswings every now and then, but overall theyre fairly soft. a membership on sites like deucescracked wont do you any bad, too. start off with a 300-400$ bankroll and you'll be fine if youre a player thats willing to learn. if thats too much then i suggest you begin with the 1$ 90-mans and a 100$ roll

[boneralert]

Im an advocate of starting out with 1 or 2 table SnGs, moving on up to 180-mans, and then MTTs as you build a roll and get better. This is not just for bankroll purposes but also for overall poker development. SnG strategy is sort of like a microcosm of MTT strategy, though there are many concepts you will only encounter in the latter. But it's a good way to get your feet wet with volume grinding and develop important habits like discipline, multi-tabling, analyzing hands, making reads, BR management, etc. that will serve you well as your game advances. It also gives you more opportunities with short-handed and heads up play, which you won't see too much of in larger field MTTs.

As others have said though, the game type matters less than the effort you are willing to put into it. Get a coach/join a training site, or at the very least post and discuss hands on forums or with friends. And be humble about your own abilities and always willing to improve. Edited By: boneralert Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:54 AM

[cmzen1]

I started with $30 grinding $1.50 9mans. slowly moved to $3.50 once BR hit $120 and kept at that level until i had 100 buy ins for $7 until i got to around 700$. I was mtting as well, and was lucky enough to ship the 5.10 hyperturbo for 1.3k.

I wasnt winning fast enough in SNGs and i moved to full ring .10/.25 cash and am crushing the game. My BR rule is 100 buy ins which is fairly strict, but this makes certain that i will never lose my roll. Playing cash games 12 tabling also gets FPP faster than SNGs, and i get mtt tickets from the FPP tickets. From these free tickets...I came 3rd in the 27.50 15k which was 'free' for me which was for 2.5k.

So my advice is to start off with SNGs, using good BR management, and move to cash games later on, and take the chances with deep runs in MTTs. All in all..this took me 6 months to reach.

To be a winning player at poker, you dont have to be the best poker player (the best can be bankrupt...ie stu ungar), but you have to have good discipline with money and be prepared to work hard sometimes for not much money or negative money. And once you hit some success, manage your money well. I learnt it the hard way.

[Raab]

Hi all. New to the P5s site and so far I like the advise I have been reading. Now to the point. I have been playing on bovada which is strange imo. I deposited $40 have been grinding the $1 sngs working my way up to the $5 sngs. Single tables to add. Now my br is up to $110 after a few days. I have been doing some of the $1 mtts with no luck. I seem to get "donked" out by some A-rag that hits. Any advise for these low level mtts? I have read some of the articles on here. Also just deposted $25 into cake to give that site a try. Also with bovoda there doesn't seem to be much action over $5 usually 1 man waiting for 8 others. I do like the bank roll manager program "the fergulator" as a tip for people with a tight br. Thanks in advance!

[cmzen1]

Raab just play the maths.if u make the right play, in the long term you will be a winner. If you get sucked out dont be disheartened because you want the other players to make mistakes. Also what you think is you getting sucked out may not necessarily be so...you may have a leak and you think youre doing nothing wrong. Do you understand icm? For sngs thats crucial basic knowledge.

[cmzen1]

Going thru a downswing...only thing you can do is play youre best poker and make sure youre br can take it. its the nature of the game to have bad runs...but think long term and have good br discipline. br management is more important than anything. Hope this helps

[Raab]

I have learned that br management is a huge factor to avoid reloads and going broke. I understand that suckouts happen and I have suckedout myself. It just seems that I get deep into a mtt and I get into a hand like AK (me) vs A4 (villain) and the 4 hits. When I look at this though I think to myself I played it right so there is nothing to be mad about except for luck. Is there a link someone could provide me with to learn a little more about ICM. I remember reading it in a poker book but I cannot remember which book to go back and look at. BTW when I said Bovada is strange I meant that by the fact that they use a number for each player instead of a screen name.

[cmzen1]

Google it. Read any SNG strategy book. Its there.

[toshibapro]

After building and blasting through my bankrolls for many years, never really taking poker seriously and just playing for fun, i decided a month or so ago to finally start taking it seriously and trying to build a decent roll.
My history of poker up untill this time, according to my limited excell records was that i had made a net profit of $4.65 in the 8 years that i have been dabbeling mainly in mtt's, although i always felt like i could beat the lower stakes, but always got seduced by huge prize pools for big buy ins and would end up taking a shot, and losing.

So i started last month to really start grinding cash games and see what i could do when i dont waste my roll on a big buy in mtt.

i started with $80 and attacked the nl4 tables it took me 26days ~60,000 hands to build my roll into just over $200 and therefore have the required roll to attempt the nl10 tables. (Although im not sure that 20 buy ins is really enough, thoughts?) I started the nl10 tables and in 6days have built my roll to over $404. Im not naive enough to think i am a poker god running a huge ROI, (32BB/100) and realise that this is a massive heater, but should i move up stakes to nl20, no i have 20 buyins?

to be honest i dont feel like i have served my time at nl10, and i dont want to jump up, lose a little tilt and destroy my roll again, although i do want to move up as quickly as possible. I am torn is there a big difference in standard between nl10 and nl20? should i take the jump my current thinking is ill try and build to $500 before i make the move?

Is twenty buy ins a reasonable way of manageing my bankroll?
Should i move up now i have 20 buy ins?
Or when should i move up stakes?

[Raab]

Try the fergulator program. I remember it saying with a $300 roll $13 should be you max buy in for single tables

[DarkBlizzard]

I have never wrote or asked anything from anyone in Poker have started on my own, but won a satellite to the 100k and made a deep run until the server crashed, thats sum bs in it's own, but I am a low-mid stakes cash game player not a High Roller or anything, but this is just an example what if my bankroll is just $50 or $100 obv i'm not going to buy into a $55 event or $100 event, what would be a decent low buy-in ratio? This weekend was pretty sick for me at the cash table but, lost 3k at the first experience in my life at 50/100 sick, but got it back thank god, so can someone give me a lil insight, hopefully someone ranked decent or someone over 500k? Thanks guys.

[DJMendez]

For, example, $22 MTT in a field of 150 where your ROI is 100%+ vs $22 MTT in a field of 10,000 where your ROI is 50%. How many buy ins approx. would you need for each? And how far does the field size/ROI range your BRM when it is still the same buy in?

[shakhtar]

 

Originally Posted by Raab

I have learned that br management is a huge factor to avoid reloads and going broke. I understand that suckouts happen and I have suckedout myself. It just seems that I get deep into a mtt and I get into a hand like AK (me) vs A4 (villain) and the 4 hits. When I look at this though I think to myself I played it right so there is nothing to be mad about except for luck. Is there a link someone could provide me with to learn a little more about ICM. I remember reading it in a poker book but I cannot remember which book to go back and look at. BTW when I said Bovada is strange I meant that by the fact that they use a number for each player instead of a screen name.

If you want to learn a little about bankroll and variance, try this non poker related game. Go to a place that flips coins randomly, like Random.org (go to the games section and click coin flipper). Then set it up to flip 8 coins at the same time. Let's play a game where you are +ev. Whatever you bet, you get 3x back (win 2x plus get back your bet) if you flip 6 heads, 15x back if you flip 7 heads, and 120x if you flip 8 heads. This gives you an edge of 9.8%. This means that you should attain a 9.8% profit on your buy ins.

Now, start with mythical bankroll of $100. Try betting $10 a flip. You'll go broke most of the time, even though you have an edge. Play around with this game, starting over with $100 and keep changing the betting strategy and you'll start to understand bankroll management with a +ev game. You'll also start to understand that money management is a LOT more important than how well you play poker (provided you play well enough to be +ev in the game you play).

[Cursleyy]

I've been wondering lately if you should treat your bankroll differently when playing Turbos as their is a lot more variance involved. So instead of using your normal 100-200 buy ins for normal MTT's should I be playing turbos based on 3x to 4x my normal buy in amount?

Thanks

[cracker9ball]

For MTTs 100 buy-ins is risky but doable you will just have to be adjusting your average buy-in as your BR swings. A less risky more advised approach is 200 buy-ins. When talking turbos we maybe be able to come up with the decision that they are higher variance so a 200 buy-in roll would be more suggested. As long as you use discipline and keep at least 100-200 buy-ins you should be okay.

[Cursleyy]

So just base all MTTs on 200 buy ins?

[cracker9ball]

 

Originally Posted by Cursleyy

So just base all MTTs on 200 buy ins?

Yea hard to wrong with that. You just have to adjust if your roll changes, If you have a $2k roll then 200 buy-ins would say you could play $10fr and $3r. If you went on a downswing and got to $1k BR you would need to be playing $5fr and $1r. So as long as you are adjusting if you keep 200 buy-ins and adjust often enough to not go broke you will be fine. Best of luck to you. If playing turbos get a shove chart. Edited By: cracker9ball Jul 26th, 2012 at 02:04 PM

[Cursleyy]

 

Originally Posted by cracker9ball

If playing turbos get a shove chart.

Yeah, I've got one. Thanks for all the advice ;)