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**Official Darvin Ham Cheating Poll*** Vote Now!!!

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  1. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:49pm)

    With the recent revealing of the nonexistant 46sooted, is the actions of what Mr. Darvin Hamm considered cheating? Simply say yes or no.

    Some one keep tally.

    I say yes, even though he didnt enter same tournaments , he still admitted to playing on 2 different accounts. So my answer is YES.

    Please one vote per person. Alter-egos dont count.

    EDIT - Let me make myself clear by saying that I have no real problem with the real darvinham, do I think it is cheating = yea, do I think money should be confiscated = no, Do i still repect he/she's game = yes. He really did not do anything very harmful and never entered 2 accounts into 1 tourney, therefore this obviously got blown totally out of proportion. I still think he is scum though. Brilliant = maybe, scum = absolutely.

    46sooted
     
  2. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:50pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Harvin Dam definitely doesn't think it's cheating.
     
  3. Dizzy34 Dizzy34 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:50pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    No

    He did not multi-account, just simply played on a different name.
  4. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:51pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    In one way or another...YES
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  5. ChuckSty ChuckSty is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:52pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    i'm torn on the issue.
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  6. jalman1 jalman1 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:53pm) in reply to ChuckSty

    Yes
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  7. ud2 ud2 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:54pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Cheating? No.

    Against the site's terms of service? Yes.
  8. iamtheflash iamtheflash is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:54pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Disgraceful...He is a con, POS ect.
  9. Pockettrees Pockettrees is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:55pm) in reply to jalman1

    You got hustled! Simple as that. Get over it.
  10. wtf wtf is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:55pm) in reply to ChuckSty

    no
  11. Cmac Cmac is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:56pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    yes
  12. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:56pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    I say yes only because he used this 2nd identity to build relationships with some really sick players and learn how to better his already pretty good game.
  13. Anonymous Anonymous is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:57pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    cheating.....no

    unethical......yes

    either way it does not really matter....there is not much anyone here can do to make him more fucked up than he already is...sofcknobv he was one of Gods mistakes....
  14. GB2005 GB2005 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 4:59pm) in reply to Anonymous

    cheat....please confiscate funds and remove from all rankings
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  15. gbmantis gbmantis is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:01pm) in reply to GB2005

    absolutely not cheating.

    weird? yes.
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  16. Micdiddy Micdiddy is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:01pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    I guess the answer would have to be yes though i don't entirely aghree with it. You are not allowed to have more than one account, yet people play on each other's accounts all the time.
    So what's the difference here if he's not entering them in the same tourney?
    I don't think he should be punished for it because he was so careful not to multi-account in same tourneys.
  17. scarface_79 scarface_79 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:02pm) in reply to GB2005

    lol, GB, u must me lovin this
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  18. Jovial Gent Jovial Gent is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:02pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    It's cheating
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  19. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:03pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    I say yes, even though he didnt enter same tournaments , he still admitted to playing on 2 different accounts. So my answer is YES.

    Well if playing on two different accounts= cheating than yes he is a cheater..
    I play on two accounts right now. Im 1/10000th the player these guys are but when in my own stupidity I self excluded myself from my stars account for 6 months, my friend lets me play on his when he doesnt. Stars even sent him an email about it saying that we were the same person and werent allowed to have two accounts.. We both contacted Stars and told them and that was it. Issue resolved.. So according to them. Playing on two accounts does NOT equal multi-accounting.. Therefore.. Not cheating..

    So in short... No.
  20. Crazy Cypriot Crazy Cypriot is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:03pm) in reply to Micdiddy

    its not cheating by the rules, but i never care about the rules. what happened here is by far more unethical on what JJ did in my opinion.
     
  21. iamtheflash iamtheflash is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:03pm) in reply to SICKTIGHT311

    I agree w/sick...ban the con immed! FU darvin or whoever your blackass is.
  22. Matedog_88 Matedog_88 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:09pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    i feel sick for those guys who thought 46 was a girl :D
  23. sharkstevie sharkstevie is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:09pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeedd><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD>Re(1): **Official Darvin Ham Cheating Poll*** Vote Now!!!
    by PrestonLuv on 7/22/2007 15:57 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>cheating.....no

    unethical......yes</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>I'll say NO
  24. Micdiddy Micdiddy is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:10pm) in reply to AFink93

    I kind of agree with you, tough i understand the difference.
    The difference is that one guy is behind both Darvin Ham and 46s, where as almost all poker players occassional;y play on a friend's account. i think very very few top ranked players can say they have never played a ahnd on any other account besides their own. There was even a thread about why buying seats isn't against the rules, though its obviously someone else playing oj a second account which they bought for the tourney.
    I think multi-accounting one tounrey is by far a bigger issue and clear cut cheating, where as this is simply using a different alias. Seriously, Many top pros have even said things to the extent of "well, i play on many accounts where people don't know who i am..." etc. so their image does not preceed them.
  25. curiousgeorge77 curiousgeorge77 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:11pm) in reply to AFink93

    Depends what your deftinition of cheating means.
    deceptive yes
    funny yes
    gay yes (aim convos)
    smart yes
    honor (NONE)
  26. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:14pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    looking for 2+2 thread that relates to this

    i know every1 is tht blind to not realize how many people have 2 accts esp of ranked players etc., shit just gets out people wanna brag about such and such score they won on their 2nd name etc.

    still waiting for BOKE to let the 2nd cat out of the bag
     
  27. riskybusines riskybusines is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:14pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    <span>TOS:

    4.2 PERSONAL USE.</span> The Software is intended solely for your personal use. Commercial use of the Software is strictly forbidden. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with pokerstars for any purpose other than for playing the Games. The User agrees that his/her use of the Games is in a personal (and not professional) capacity. Before the User participates at PokerStars, he/she is responsible to verify the laws on gambling which govern the User use of the Software in order to determine restrictions and act in accordance thereto. The User must provide full and truthful information regarding his/her legal name and identity when such information is requested by PokerStars. <span>A User may not have more than one account with PokerStars.

    <span><span>Seems like cheating. However I emailed stars when my wife wanted an account and they told me it was OK. They said I should play on my account and she should play hers, but thats the rub. They just cant know whos playing what. One email to stars saying his mom only plays the 4-6 suited account and there is NOTHING they can do.

    Cheated = YES

    Punishable = NO </span></span>

    </span>
  28. WiCane WiCane is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:14pm) in reply to gbmantis

    ^^^ agreed. Not cheating. some of the people that are mad probably thought they were going to get laid by 46, probably feel weird that they cybered him/her.
     
  29. apology7 apology7 is offline Cake Poker PLB Champ

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:16pm) in reply to riskybusines

    dishonest yes, cheating NO
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  30. stpauli111 stpauli111 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2007 (7/22/2007 5:17pm) in reply to Micdiddy

    no
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