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OK I guess I am not as good as I think.....

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  1. tomkim tomkim is offline

    Ocala, FL
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    Jan 10th, 2011 (1/10/2011 2:00pm)

    Is this an issue with me not raising enough preflop or is it just a Bad luck flop and then a bad call by me after the reraise?

    Stage #516261178 Tourney ID 5936470 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 20 - 2011-01-10 08:54:05 (ET)
    Table: 9 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - SHAZ35 (2,465 in chips)
    Seat 2 - SDFISH (1,625 in chips)
    Seat 3 - DJFERTIG (1,275 in chips)
    Seat 4 - WHOKNEW1013 (1,165 in chips)
    Seat 5 - HOSER58 (1,495 in chips)
    Seat 6 - DISPATCH720 (1,740 in chips)
    Seat 7 - I_WANNA_CALL (830 in chips)
    Seat 8 - BUBBAAK (1,560 in chips)
    Seat 9 - CUBANLYNX99 (3,039 in chips)
    CUBANLYNX99 - Posts small blind 10
    SHAZ35 - Posts big blind 20
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to DJFERTIG [Ah As]
    SDFISH - Calls 20
    DJFERTIG - Raises 50 to 50
    WHOKNEW1013 - Folds
    HOSER58 - Folds
    DISPATCH720 - Calls 50
    I_WANNA_CALL - Folds
    BUBBAAK - Folds
    CUBANLYNX99 - Folds
    SHAZ35 - Calls 30
    SDFISH - Calls 30
    *** FLOP *** [8h 10c Kd]
    SHAZ35 - Checks
    SDFISH - Checks
    DJFERTIG - Bets 110
    DISPATCH720 - Raises 540 to 540
    SHAZ35 - Folds
    SDFISH - Calls 540
    DJFERTIG - All-In(Raise) 1,115 to 1,225
    DISPATCH720 - All-In(Raise) 1,150 to 1,690
    SDFISH - All-In 1,035
    DISPATCH720 - returned (115) : not called
    *** TURN *** [8h 10c Kd] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [8h 10c Kd 9s] [9h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    SDFISH - Shows [Jd Qc] (Straight, nine to king)
    DJFERTIG - Shows [Ah As] (Two Pair, aces and nines)
    DISPATCH720 - Shows [10s Ks] (Two Pair, kings and tens)
    SDFISH Collects 700 from side pot-1
    SDFISH Collects 3,885 from main pot
    SDFISH Collects Bounty Prize of $1
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(4,585:3,885,700)
    Board [8h 10c Kd 9s 9h]
    Seat 1: SHAZ35 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 2: SDFISH won Total (4,585) All-In HI:(4,585) with Straight, nine to king [Jd Qc - B:Kd,P:Qc,P:Jd,B:10c,B:9s] BOUNTY awarded: ($1)
    Seat 3: DJFERTIG HI:lost with Two Pair, aces and nines [Ah As - P:As,P:Ah,B:9s,B:9h,B:Kd]
    Seat 4: WHOKNEW1013 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: HOSER58 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: DISPATCH720 HI:lost with Two Pair, kings and tens [10s Ks - P:Ks,B:Kd,P:10s,B:10c,B:9s]
    Seat 7: I_WANNA_CALL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: BUBBAAK (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 9: CUBANLYNX99 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

    Sorry a BAD ALL-IN by me after rerasie
  2. Trembath29 Trembath29 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2011 (1/10/2011 2:27pm) in reply to tomkim

    Raise more pre-flop. After someone's limped, 2.5x is not enough, need to make it at least 4x here - personally I'd make it 100 to go. Even if you had done you would have got stacked anyway I think, because if the monkey who won was happy enough to stack off on an open-ended straight draw on the flop then he most certainly will have called a 5x preflop raise with QJo. But still, raise more. I'd raise 3x anyway this early on as an open-raise, save the 2.5x for when the blinds have beefed up a bit.

    Your post-flop play was pretty bad to be honest. Leading was the correct play, but once you saw a raise and a call behind I think you got the information you needed. I think you have to fold at that point, as it's very likely at least one of them has you crushed. Even if you're not crushed you can't be far ahead - it's possible that you're against just top pair and a draw, but even if so, they're not folding to your shove and there will be lots of outs to crack your aces.

    Having said that, the guy who ended up winning the hand played the flop far worse than you, what a clown - I expect the guy with K-10 was punching his monitor.
  3. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2011 (1/10/2011 4:47pm) in reply to Trembath29

    this looks like a fold. the flop is somewhat coordinated but not extremely. its a rainbow flop with some possible str8 draws. the raise and call on the flop is rarely just 1 pr and there are no pr+draw possibilities so this is always open ended straight draws or 2pr/sets.

    if we are ahead its barely and we are probably well behind. while AA is fun to have its still only 1 pr, when the action indicates that 1 pr is probably no good you have to have the discipline to fold your AA
     
  4. tomkim tomkim is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2011 (1/10/2011 5:03pm) in reply to okse54

    Definately know I played AFTER flop terrible. I guess I needed to raise more preflop and then I may have less to play against
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