why do you even play on that scam site..

Thanks for the replys.

Their current security policy touts how hard they work to catch Bots (along with other cheaters). But I've never heard of them catching one...and since they were explicitly permissive of Bots before, I'd be surprised if they were going hard after them.

I'd also be surprised if someone was running them in micro-stakes games, though. If you could steal $50 an hour, would you settle for stealing $5?

 

Originally Posted by mcmarkrazz

what the fuck is a bot ?? computer program that plays poker for you or something ? is this what it is ??? if so i just cant see a program beating a good player so it would seam like easy money..im i way off here ..input please

These animals function exactly like a computer would. It calculates the odds of winning the hand vs. bet-sizing. However, these geniuses that use them will make the settings so if they ever lose "x" amount of dollars to a certain player, the bot will automatically sit out and wait until you leave, even if other players join the table.

One of my friends was a computer whiz and created all these paramaters and everything for a bot and showed me how it worked at a play chip table. The thing calculates the odds on the screen and snap-calls, snap-folds. It really was quite the sophisticated program. And he said that it wouldn't be difficult to create one that "learned" how a player played over an extended period of time so it would never lose unless the player RADICALLY changed his playing style from hand to hand. That's the only way one of these things wouldn't be able to get a "read" on you.

However, he couldn't create it so it would take different amounts of time in responding to bets/action. It was set to a parameter that couldn't be changed.....AKA So if you are sitting at a table HU against someone who literally ALWAYS takes 2 seconds to make every decision (check, bet, call, raise), you might want to take off.

Yeah, I agree. I have been a computer programmer for 10+ years and although I wouldn't know how to create a bot without taking time the easiest part would be randomizing the amount of time it took to make the decision. In the languages I know you can use a "random" function easy enough.

 

Originally Posted by RazorFish00

I am first going to state that I have never created one of these bots before and don't intend on making one. But there are things that you can put into your program to delay how long a task takes and it can be a random amount of time since you could just use a certain process that would cause for this to happen. I don't know if your friend was just not wanting to do it or if he actually thinks there is not a possible way to perform this task.

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

Their current security policy touts how hard they work to catch Bots (along with other cheaters). But I've never heard of them catching one...and since they were explicitly permissive of Bots before, I'd be surprised if they were going hard after them.

I'd also be surprised if someone was running them in micro-stakes games, though. If you could steal $50 an hour, would you settle for stealing $5?

Many of the bots out there aren't capable of beating anything other than the smallest limit games, and that's why they are probably screwing around at the lower stakes. Also, some botters would want to start low and work up just in case things don't go as planned.

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

Many of the bots out there aren't capable of beating anything other than the smallest limit games, and that's why they are probably screwing around at the lower stakes. Also, some botters would want to start low and work up just in case things don't go as planned.

This. I know a person who is a member of a bot site and the site even has its own forum where people share the code if they create a somewhat successful code.

The bot plays 1-2 dollar sng's, 1-5 dollar MTT's and 6 max penny cash games. I have never heard of the bot being successful in any game above $5.

They use the bots primarily for Rakeback and bonus clearing. The bot I have seen the person use can only 3 table at a time.

FWIW, the bot he uses on UB can also be used on FTP so its not just on UB that bots exists.

In no way do I condone using bots. I think it's unethical for several reasons, but I find it essentially irrelevant. Poker bots are typically created and used by people who are experts in computers/computer software, not poker. The poker bots I have witnessed in action, were no better than the player who made it.

The idea of bots makes me mad... Good thing they suck but if they were ever to get really good and undetectable it could ruin online poker.

 

Originally Posted by apestyles

The idea of bots makes me mad... Good thing they suck but if they were ever to get really good and undetectable it could ruin online poker.

They are undetectable. The one Ive seen used before, all the guy has to do is sit at the table, quickly bring up the bot, put in the code and then hide the bot. It takes maybe 5 seconds for him to do all of this and if FTP did what I think is called a "screen scrape" (searching his desktop or background for bot usage) FTP wouldnt be able to see it.

The future of online poker will have every player required to be veiwed by web cam while playing instead of avatars. Could get risque tho with all the playing in underwear.

would have to guess there are smart enough people to create a bot that is excellent at poker. if we can send people to the moon, and split atoms, i think someone can create a bot that can beat $5/$10NL 10 tables at a time with varying times of "thinking" before actions.

ya 1 hand on the mouse and the other on the doggie.....sic just thinkin about it

 

Originally Posted by mcmarkrazz

the fact that u bout one in the first place doesnt say much for you .. shoulda kept that to urself lmao

I hear you, was a total noob at poker literally i think this was in 2005. Hope paradise poker doesn't ban me

edit: and like i said it was just some website that anyone could go and buy it from so it didn't feel wrong using it at that time. obv now I know much betttter and understand this is a form of cheating.