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  1. BennyProfane BennyProfane is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 1:40pm)

    ....but not a single one of us can take a wait-and-see attitude. We need to not only write letters to our elected officials, we need to email the sites we play and demand that they get together and build a 9-figure defense bankroll to go to lobbyists and legal firms that will professionally fight tooth and nail for our game. We have to remind our elected officials again why we will be voting for/against them. We have to volunteer for the officials who pledge to support us and show our support back to them in bringing out the vote via friends, family members and people we know who otherwise don't vote but agree with us. We have to give them money to campaign if they're going to support us--no matter how small/large an amount. We have to involve Harrah's, whose WSOP property depends on internet qualifiers to continue to grow, or at least stay where it is. Same with WPT Enterprises. As players we should be demanding that these companies fight to protect what they have built (and which we have built for them by paying rake, tournament fees, renting hotel rooms, etc.) I invite everyone on these forums to start posting what you're going to do, after putting some thought into it, rather than arguing over whose fault the current situation is, etc. We need people posting big ideas on here, really thinking out how we're going to fight and win this battle, and how we're going to draw in allies to help win that fight, not argue over Dem/Rep semantics, or insist on people voting Libertarian. (Can anyone name 10 prominant Libertarians?) I'm convinced that this battle can be won within our current political system, however skewed it may be. We just need to band together and make it happen.
  2. Killerbees24 Killerbees24 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 1:54pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    love the optimism man. The subject alone brought a joyful tear to my eye.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 2:28pm) in reply to Killerbees24

    Proletariats of the world unite.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 2:29pm) in reply to Killerbees24

    US has a very short history compared to the rest of the world. We're < 250 yrs old. Every stupid idea we've had has been overturned eventually--remember, at one point women couldn't vote, blacks were slaves, alcohol was illegal, Japanese-Americans were in camps. With the exception of alcohol being illegal, banning (or restricting access to) online poker is pretty tame in comparison. Don't think it's going to be legal next week, next month, next year, but it will happen....if we make it happen. And by we I mean anyone reading this, can't rely on the politicians to do it alone. Because they are a huge collection of d-bags.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 2:51pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    Online poker isn't currently illegal and asking big business to fight for our rights in Washington is like asking the fox to guard the henhouse. Here is a list of a few famous libertarians:

    Drew Cameron
    Drew Carey
    Tommy Chong
    Clint Eastwood
    John Larroquette
    Dennis Leary
    Sam Longoria
    Penn & Teller
    Aaron Russo
    Kurt Russell
    Tom Selleck
    Howard Stern
    John Stossel
    Jimmy "JJ" Walker
    Dave Barry
    P.J. O'Rourke
    Dwight Yoakam
    Mark Cuban
    James Buchanan
    Milton Friedman
    Thomas Sowell
    Matt Drudge
    Jeff Flake - congressman
    Ron Paul - congressman
    Bob Barr - former congressman

    A very incomplete list, but you get the idea.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 2:57pm) in reply to Dyzalot

    Jesus Christ, read between the lines and name ten prominant Libertarians in elected office in the federal government. John Larroquette is not a 'prominant Libertarian.' He's an actor with those views. And he is far less than prominant. I like the ideals of Libertarianism, as do many of the actors, etc. you have listed but as a party it is pretty much nonexistant and is not a viable option. We're not turning to the Libs to get poker legal. We have to get the people who are in there now to give us what we want, or vote them out with new people (from the same two major parties) who will support us. Dennis Leary is effing dead, he's not saving online poker. I heard Marke Post doesn't even return Laroquette's phone calls, that's about how much influence he has. Tommy Chong for Congress?
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:03pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    howard stern, penn and teller and drew carey are libertarians.

    hah, are you tring to scare everyone away. Penn is an atheist and besides that he is a complete nut job. try listening to his radio show sometime
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:08pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    Benny,
    Without some concentrated effort on the part of the american public there will never be any prominant libertarians elected to the federal government because the democrats and republicans conspire to keep 3rd parties off the ballots and out of the debates. I wonder what would have happened if Thomas Jefferson had asked those same questions during his time, "What prominant elected officials do we have on our side?". No one said change is easy. If you want easy then drift along with the current, if you want change then you have to swim against the current. I guarantee you that if libertarian candidates somehow got 10% of the vote in a general election it would make waves that would ripple forward for years.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:18pm) in reply to Dyzalot

    Jefferson et posse gained a new govt. via the violent armed overthrow of the existing one. Since our military is badass, and since our citizenship is not going to overthrow the govt., it is going to be a different, and more difficult battle to get big changes in our govt. What's sad is that if you ask people what they believe in, you'd probably have 15% extrem right-wing assholes, 15% extreme left-wing assholes, and 70% of the population voicing opinions that are highly Libertarian by definition. Why did Cook County, where I live, deliver more Kerry votes than any other single county in the US? Because it's a union town that identifies itself with labor, and in the minds of many Chicagoans labor = Chicago = Democrat = I-must-vote-Democrat. That's not the politicians' faults, it's the faults of a widely uneducated electorate. Who will teach people to vote Libertarian, and where will they get the money to battle the Dems and the Reps, in whatever county? Libertarians getting 10% of the vote, in a country where the majority probably agrees with their views, is part of what's fucked up about American politics, and while I didn't want this thread to quie "go there" (i.e. a bitchfest), if you're thinking that we're going to get a Libertarian govt. that is going to be good and kind and moderate in our lifetimes, then you either know something I don't or you are smoking very large quantities of very good drugs.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:20pm) in reply to dolphin13

    Online poker isnt and never has been illegal
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:27pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    Dennis Leary is not dead. I think you are referring to Timithy Leary. What's wrong with being an atheist? Freedom of religion is protected in the constittion. There have been many more atrocities done in the name of christianity, islam, etc. than atheism. I'm not atheist just wondering.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:31pm) in reply to BennyProfane

    "US has a very short history compared to the rest of the world. We're < 250 yrs old."

    That's an incredibly ignorant statement. Actually we have one of the longest running stable government of any nation in the world. I think only the U.K. might beat us. France has gone through like 5 different republics with entirely different structures since the US Constitution was written. And if you are going to say that you meant the society, then American society has been going for at least an extra 100 years beyond what you said. Transport a Puritan from early America to today, and once he gets past the technology, he'd find himself very comfortable with the American work ethic and drive to suceed, which are the primary reasons our country dominates the world in so many ways.
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    Jan 18th, 2007 (1/18/2007 3:40pm) in reply to Sokpuppet7

    I'm surprised Dubya hasn't sent me an email saying my eTrade account has been closed based on the fact that daytrading is now considered another form of online gambling.
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