[Takthatwitya]

poty? cosign

[yeagermyster]

excellent post. couldn't agree more.

[JohnnyBax]

"Couldnt of said it better myself. Cosign"

Clearly true. U Penn Owns.

Bax

[GetBent444]

I'm a nobody either.. but if cheating or multi accounting is ever okay or FINE WITH THIS COMMUNITY to do &/or allowing that person to live a happy life in the poker world after a few years...

IF this is what the P5 community is willing to embrace, then don't ever give me a hug.

[Pupkin]

Great post, ansky. Gavin and Sebok are disgusting. Raymer should be applauded for what he said by anyone who has any respect for the game. JJ should be banned from every poker room, live or online, for life, in my opinion.

[RichardHurtz]

****If someone is banned fromone site for cheating, they should then be banned from every card roomin the world, and every other site. This is possible, entirelypossible, and it would put a MAJOR damper on the willingness ofcheaters to cheat. Let’s face it, JJ cheated because he was“underground” anyway, and there would be no repercussions in the longrun. If cheaters know the punishment will fit the crime, they won’tcheat anymore.***

I'm not so sure that there arn't any repercussions. Isn't it possible that he may have commited a crime such as fraud, or some sort of conspiracy charges maybe even racketeering? Maybe thats something that should be looked into by the authorities to see if could stick.

[Mr_BigQueso]

agree 100%.

well spoken dani

[jetpoker]

Agree 100% Cosign

Isn't it a shame that all the big name's on here(well 98% of them) will not say a god damn thing on any of these cheater post there has to be a very good reason for that... wonder what it could be ???????

[wagewar]

Gbmantis, Fuck you and your butt buddy, JJ. Cheaters need to rot in hell.

[tdoc6]

Maybe from this day forward (or pick a day) that all sites and TV make it known that poker players will turn each other in for cheating, friends or no friends. Can't say they were not warned, can't say I thought you were my buddy when it happens...you were warned. From this day forward you are caught, banned from all poker (you know before you do it what can happen). I know it would be difficult to take that first step "telling on someone" but as a community we need to embrace that person (not the cheat) and help them with any repercussions.

[greggo430]

he didnt just cheat when he was 16, he cheated when he was 17 he will cheat when he is 18. right now this doesnt ban him from anything and that is the problem. read the original post, it is a push for serious consequences for cheating and should not be ignored.

I dont understand why people continue to defend JJ, it is the same as saying "potripper should be allowed to play on absolute, as long a he says he is sorry and promises not to cheat again"

[CrownMyCoke]

Did anyone else hear what Gavin said to JJ right before they went off air with JJ? They asked JJ, something along the lines of, "Are you still going to play on the sites where you are banned from?" JJ responds with, "...uhhhh i do not know, i am not sure (or some BS)." Then Gavin chirps in right before they are about to go off air with JJ, "I would..." Saying if he was banned and caught doing what JJ did he would continue to go behind the sites back and play. Is he not sponsored by FTP? WTF? He also said, earlier in the show, something about JJ being banned from FTP. He stated, "What?!??!? You are banned from FTP? And you never cheated on that site???" He then goes on to seem like he is going to say something to FTP to lift his ban fom the site! Such blasphemy all around!

[Mr. Personality]

While I certainly agree with everything that's been said in relation to JJ himself, I think everyone's being a little hard on Joe and Gavin. Expecting them to represent the entire poker community just isn't fair, that's not what they set out to do with their show or the Poker Road site itself. Their stuff has given me hours of entertainment, but in the end it's just that. Here's Joe's response to all this hulabaloo from his PR Blog.

http://www.pokerroad.com/_/authorpag...p;type=proBlog

<span>Hmmm, I'm not sure where to begin on thisissue. We at PokerRoad Radio stewed over how to handle this interviewfor several days. Should we give JJ a forum to just tell his story?Should we railroad him and give everyone what they want? Should we justtreat it as a normal interview and go about our business? It was toughto figure out what the best course of action should be...

Inthe end I decided that the correct course was to ask the questions thatwe felt people wanted to know...that we felt were tough questions...andlet JJ guide which way things would go for him. I, in no way, feel thatwe "let him off easy" or that we let him "skirt the issues" as has beenclaimed in many of the forums by the very vocal posters. We got intowhat went down, all of the scandals, what ways he went about cheating,how he conducted himself through them and after, and how he feels nowabout what has happened. If JJ was to hang himself, it would be by hisown doing. I had no intention to crucify this kid just to appease themob that wanted blood.

On so many levels, we had to let the interview guide itself. I didn'tfeel that Bart went easy on him. I wish that we had gotten into morefollow up questions to force JJ to expand on many of his simpleanswers, but in no way did I feel that Bart failed to ask toughquestions. He got into specifics about what/where/how all the cheatingwent down and it was very obvious that JJ had a tough time answeringthem.

People need to understand that, as a radio show or any media entity,all we can do is ask the questions. It seems very much to me that themasses who want the vengeance wanted us to say, "Listen, dude, you area cheater and you know it and we think you should hang for it. Dealwith that." This isn't remotely professional and would basically ensurethat we would never get another guest on PRR if there was ever a hintof discussing anything scandalous. You want to provide a forum todiscuss the topics, and we tried to do that.

When media entities interviewed figures such as Charles Manson and TedBundy they did not begin with, "So, Charles, you are a murdering son ofa bitch and we all know that you shouldn't be allowed to breatheanymore on this planet..." Clearly those killers crimes dwarf anythingthat JJ has done. The point being this: media does not run that way forseveral reasons. It is unprofessional, but it also would ensure that noinformation would be gleaned.

You also have to understand that this kid knows that EVERYONE wants hisblood. The only way to conduct an interview like this one is to try togive a small feeling to the interviewee that enables them to feelslightly comfortable. All of your cries for blood, while they may bedeserved as well as earned, were not our responsibility to deliver. Irepeatedly asked JJ how he felt about being ostricized, whether or nothe cared about it, what he was most remorseful about in the situation,and if he was sorry at all. Had we just laid into him the way that somany of you believe we should have, the interview would have lasted oneminute as he would either have just gotten up and walked out, or hewould have just shut down completely, with zero answers at all.

I can't speak for what Gav's opinions were, as I don't agree with them.I didn't agree with them in earlier shows and I do not agree with themnow. I think that multi-accounting, ghosting, buying accounts, andevery other form of online cheating are reprehensible, and I said asmuch on the show...actually on multiple shows now. With that said, Gavis my boy, and while I do not agree with him in this case, I respecthis opinion. As some of you may remember, Bear has similar opinions toGav on these issues (not specifically on the JJ case, as I know thatBear considers JJ to be the approximation of a one-man crime ring andcompletely in a class all his own) when it comes to multi-accountingand whatnot. Many pros feelings are that it isn't as big a deal as it'sbeing made out to be. I do not share this opinion, I am merely pointingit out.

As far as the attacks on me, I am quite used to it by now. I stated myopinion when I felt strongly about it. I openly admitted when I feltthat I didn't have enough information to comment on something, and Isaid that I thought what JJ did was most definitely wrong. You are allso angry because I didn't say, "Listen you little motherfucker, you arewrong and you know this, so knock the shit off!" This is notresponsible journalism, if you can call our show something so serious,and I would have been embarassed for behaving like that. I took theside of everyone else wants this kid hung and I am going to try and getas much information out of him as I can, while I can. If you all havedecided that you "hate" me for trying to make JJ feel comfortable, thenso be it. That is part of my job as a co-host of PRR and I willcontinue to do so in the future for all of my guests.

When I said that I respected JJ's decision to come on the show anddiscuss the matter, I meant it. It takes a lot of balls to get up in aforum like that talk about things that are reprehensible and soobviously immoral and wrong. He knew that he would be thrashed for itand he did it anyway. Call him what you want, he decided to do theinterview when so many others would not have.

In closing, I don't agree with anything that JJ has done and most ofthe ways that he has conducted himself in the last month or so. Heseems like a real scared kid to me who is way out of his element anddoesn't know what the hell to do. My gut feeling is that he isn'treally remorseful about what he did, but rather that he got caught forwhat he did. I certainly won't excuse it, but whether or not all of youwant to admit it, JJ is 18. I can't begin to tell you the amounts ofstupid shit that I did when I was that age. I wouldn't have been ableto handle anything that he's going through...whether he earned it ornot...and I don't think that he can either.

For those of you who feel that we softballed JJ, you are wrong. Forthose of you who feel that we may have flubbed the interview a little,you have an argument there. I assure you though, that we tried to dealwith it as responsibly as we could, in an effort to get as many answersand as much information that we could without completely ripping JJ'shead off, which we actively tried not to do.

The forum culture is one that is steeped in venom and vitriol. Thevocal players love to point out what they hate, who they hate, and howeverything is awful around them. I promised myself long ago that Iwould neither post there, nor respond to any attacks on myself. I ammaking an exception in this case, as I feel that this is a big enoughstory that I wanted everyone to have my opinion on how it went down.

I believe that many out there would only have been happy if we hadstrung up JJ and executed him right there on the air . I'm sorry butyou will have to tune into another show for that, as it will not behappening on mine. Not now, and not ever.

peace,
J</span>

[clang5]

Totally agree. great post.

[ashesofheroes]

bump

willing to sign the PS petition for banning of EPT events

someone with some influence get it rollin