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open shove 22bbs?

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  1. kportune kportune is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 10:33am)

    Hand #1: less than 100 players left - in the HJ

    pokerstars Game #29850148378: Tournament #173033949, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (2500/5000) - 2009/06/27 18:06:44 ET
    Table '173033949 188' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: frenziss (45471 in chips)
    Seat 3: GolferKris (111302 in chips)
    Seat 4: razor3334 (164524 in chips)
    Seat 5: Akeen (288027 in chips)
    Seat 6: tim_blonk (385013 in chips)
    Seat 7: Andrrr (119244 in chips)
    Seat 8: ast1606 (498122 in chips)
    Seat 9: kingfan44 (144488 in chips)
    frenziss: posts the ante 500
    GolferKris: posts the ante 500
    razor3334: posts the ante 500
    Akeen: posts the ante 500
    tim_blonk: posts the ante 500
    Andrrr: posts the ante 500
    ast1606: posts the ante 500
    kingfan44: posts the ante 500
    tim_blonk: posts small blind 2500
    Andrrr: posts big blind 5000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GolferKris [Ts Tc]
    ast1606: folds
    kingfan44: folds
    frenziss: folds
    GolferKris:????
    __________________________________________________ ___________

    Hand #2: Playing 7 handed - UTG - final 2 tables

    PokerStars Game #29860573531: Tournament #173018802, $9.00+$0.90 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2009/06/28 0:52:58 ET
    Table '173018802 36' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: rekop7 (51533 in chips)
    Seat 2: Lambrechts (8541 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 3: jakaha (10290 in chips)
    Seat 4: rfl81 (20821 in chips)
    Seat 5: FaithfulDuck (76325 in chips)
    Seat 6: GolferKris (34889 in chips)
    Seat 9: stallion313 (55692 in chips)
    rekop7: posts the ante 150
    Lambrechts: posts the ante 150
    jakaha: posts the ante 150
    rfl81: posts the ante 150
    FaithfulDuck: posts the ante 150
    GolferKris: posts the ante 150
    stallion313: posts the ante 150
    rfl81: posts small blind 800
    FaithfulDuck: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GolferKris [Jd Ah]
    GolferKris:????

    Are we profitably just open shipping in both of these spots? Are there other ways to play these?

    At what point do these become "over"shoves?
  2. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 10:43am) in reply to kportune

    im shoving neither, raising 12k-16k in hand 1 and open folding hand 2
  3. Goldenad Goldenad is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 10:44am) in reply to kportune

    ehhh 1st one i probably raise/call, im not sure open shoving is great there and you could probably make more money raise/calling and shoving any flop if youre called preflop

    2nd hand i think is a pretty easy fold, you have a bit too many chips to be shoving utg here even if it is 7 handed, id want to shove this with < 19BB or so
     
  4. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 11:20am) in reply to kportune

    Hand 1: raise/call
    Hand 2: raise/fold
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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 11:21am) in reply to kportune

    first one i think raise/call is best but u dont wanna be getting postflop too oftn with this stack so i dont mind openshoving.

    2nd hand fold, i woudnt be shoving here until <15bbs
  6. nollidK nollidK is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 12:33pm) in reply to kportune

    1 = raise and call
    2 = open fold
     
  7. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 12:51pm) in reply to deckeriv

     
    Originally Posted by deckeriv View Post

    Hand 1: raise/call
    Hand 2: raise/fold

     
  8. jfiiue4 jfiiue4 is online now

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 12:56pm) in reply to kportune

    1: raise call

    2: 7 handed I cant just open fold probably raise/fold is alright obv player dependant. You can raise call a spew box.
  9. Dyzalot Dyzalot is online now

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:00pm) in reply to kportune

    Hand #1 - raise/call

    Hand #2 - shove
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  10. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:03pm) in reply to kportune

    I don't believe pushing either hand comes to much good for you.

    In the first hand, I'd make it 20k to go, then usually call a RR; as for the second, I wouldn't play at all.

    If you had about one-third fewer chips in each case, then would be the time to jam.
  11. selder1 selder1 is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:11pm) in reply to kportune

    I think open shoving both of these is profitable, but not optimal. The TT hand you can open shove profitably for 30+bbs in the hijack, but raise/calling is more profitable. Agree with raise/call and raise/fold. Hand 2, I probably wouldn't raise/fold at a tough table, though it depends on image.
     
  12. Kenny Rap Kenny Rap is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:17pm) in reply to selder1

    lol at shoving AJ for 22 bb utg
     
  13. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:21pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Hand #1 - raise/call

    Hand #2 - shove

    loooool @ hand 2, you must just run good, cause clearly thats awful
  14. mapunk mapunk is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 1:29pm) in reply to Kenny Rap

     
    Originally Posted by Kenny Rap View Post

    lol at shoving AJ for 22 bb utg

     
  15. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 2:09pm) in reply to mapunk

    The AJ i think open shoving has more ev than open folding. Remember 3 of the stacks have much less chips than you.
  16. EyeKnows EyeKnows is online now

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 2:37pm) in reply to kportune

    Open folding AJo utg 7-handed + one sitter? I don't think I am folding.
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