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  1. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 11:17am)

    I've cut way back in my play, but played a handful of $5 SNG's yesterday. This is probably the most interesting hand here. I don't have the official hand history, but I can explain it (at least close enough for this discussion). I think I played the hand reasonably well, but if you think not, I welcome your opinions.

    This is a blind versus blind hand. I'm in second place at this point, about 100 chips off the lead. 5 people are left, the top 2 are way ahead of the bottom 3, who are bunched together. Blinds are 50-100. My stack size is about 3,700 chips. Villian is in fourth place with 1,500 chips.

    It's folded to me, I have 10-5 suited (clubs). I limp in. I decide to limp as oppose to raise here mainly because I want a feeling to how he'll play these. I have raised into him previously, and he folded. I want a feel for if he'll let me limp, or if a limp will mean raise (obviously, you can't know everything in one hand, but I feel this is a good feeler spot). If he raises, I'll fold. He checks.

    Flop 4-5-8, 2 clubs. Good flop for me HU. Sort of drawing. I wouldn't mind taking this right, but I really don't want all my chips going in either. I put 120 chips out, flat call.

    Turn is the 6 clubs. Might be a good card for me, might be horrible. I decide to keep betting though. Pot is $440, I bet 300, instant push.

    I took my 15 seconds to decide, then decided my move. What do you do?

    Possible important points here.

    If I win this hand, I will be in a domating first place, with 4 left. If I fold, I'm in a comfortable second. If I call and lose, I am in 3rd place, right in the pack, not that far off the lead, but not that far from last I definitely feel like I am still in ok shape if I call and lose (obviously not thrilled).

    If I call and I'm behind, I'm dead. Probably no chance to win the hand. I might have a draw to a straight flush, might not if he has it. If I'm beating him, depending what he has, I'm either crushing him or he has outs.

    I was 3 tabling at the time, so no great reads on him, but he hasn't seemed to be messing around in too many hands, but as I said, no real reads.

    What do you do? After a few responses (or if I get bored) I'll post what I did.

    Note: I slightly edited this, but nothing that should change anything too important
  2. odstore odstore is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 11:33am) in reply to lordxixor101

    So you hit the hand you were drawing to and if you and if you lose you'll still have 2200 in chips at 50/100 blinds? I don't think you can get away from this. There's a good chance you've got the best hand here. He could have a pair with an A of clubs or something like that and when you bet the flop he probably figured you weren't on the flush draw. I think this is a def call. If you win you've got a dominating chipstack going into the bubble and if you lose you're still not in bad shape.
  3. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 11:40am) in reply to lordxixor101

    OK, here is how it looks to me. You limped and then bet ~2/3 at a ragged but coordinated flop, he'll be thinking small PP, medium Ax for PR + A, maybe you hit a set. I give him 7x probably with a club maybe 77 or 76. If he flopped a set he way misplayed it but that is also possible. In any case he is playing it like he has a set, str8 or baby flush and doesn't want to let a another club come off cheep. I think you are ahead here with your T flush but you aren't drawing dead even if you are behind unless he holds the 7c.

    You have to call.

    my 2 cents
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 12:31pm) in reply to saukendar

    Ok, both of you thought exactly like I thought at the time. I had that sick feeling that he had something like Kxclubs or something, but I figured the odds of that was minimal.

    I called and he flipped over 73 offsuit (neither one was a club), so he was drawing dead. I didn't hit the straight flush (not that it matters anyway).

    My thoughts exactly, as played out, I just couldn't put him on a big flush here (I figured he'd raise any ace, and figuring he had to have 2 clubs, and one bigger than the 10, but raggy enough not to play strong).

    I figured it was a call, just wanted to see if others agreed.
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  5. Bulldogmafia Bulldogmafia is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 2:14pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    I can't fold this hand. The majority of the time I am going broke here.

    One thing to note, in a blind vs blind scenario I always assume the other guy has nothing. Yup a leak but one that has proven too many times to be true.
  6. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 2:41pm) in reply to Bulldogmafia

    I agree, maybe it's an obvious go broke. I thought it might be a bit closer of a decision, but it seems like everyone agrees.

    I do agree that saying the other blind has nothing is a leak. I have a hard time giving them credit for big hands when they don't raise preflop (even when they do, I have a much higher range for them). But, you will get burned sometimes if you always assume it's junk in there. It is most of the time, not always.
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  7. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 2:43pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    Well 73 counts as nothing till the turn :) It is easy to give him a 7 in this spot.
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