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overplaying AA...or did my opponent overcall?

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  1. WormSlick WormSlick is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 1:04am)

    Gotta love people who overcall when they know they're beat...How bad did I play my aces here?

    pokerstars Game #8861101467: Tournament #44301483, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/03/12 - 00:54:06 (ET)
    Table '44301483 45' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: weshuk80 (6723 in chips)
    Seat 2: WestMenlo92 (66451 in chips)
    Seat 3: iacog4 (16067 in chips)
    Seat 4: cincywin (23855 in chips)
    Seat 5: Psychout (29133 in chips)
    Seat 6: BlindBurt (51355 in chips)
    Seat 7: joe444 (34176 in chips)
    Seat 8: WormSlick (49554 in chips)
    Seat 9: cnguyen1280 (26944 in chips)
    weshuk80: posts the ante 75
    WestMenlo92: posts the ante 75
    iacog4: posts the ante 75
    cincywin: posts the ante 75
    Psychout: posts the ante 75
    BlindBurt: posts the ante 75
    joe444: posts the ante 75
    WormSlick: posts the ante 75
    cnguyen1280: posts the ante 75
    WestMenlo92: posts small blind 600
    iacog4: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to WormSlick [Ad Ac]
    cincywin: folds
    Psychout: folds
    BlindBurt: raises 2400 to 3600
    joe444: folds
    WormSlick: raises 6000 to 9600
    cnguyen1280: folds
    weshuk80: folds
    WestMenlo92: folds
    iacog4: folds
    BlindBurt: calls 6000
    *** FLOP *** [2c Tc Jd]
    BlindBurt: checks
    WormSlick: bets 39879 and is all-in
    BlindBurt: calls 39879
    *** TURN *** [2c Tc Jd] [3s]
    *** RIVER *** [2c Tc Jd 3s] [7h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    BlindBurt: shows [Ts Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
    WormSlick: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    BlindBurt collected 101433 from pot
  2. j_farah j_farah is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 1:41am) in reply to WormSlick

    You played it fine. He should have folded preflop to your reraise. You were just unlucky that he flopped a set.
  3. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 8:59am) in reply to j_farah

    I'm not sure, is this such a terrible call. You are betting 6000 into about a 20,000 pot. But, the implied odds (if you spike the set) are huge. He has the chips to gamble, and hitting this puts him in a nice way. Plus, even though big pairs are in there, you have to think table image. Could he come over the top with an AQ there/AK? Could he just be "restealing" here (we are in that stage). We would have to know the table images.

    Overall, he's either ahead, or has great implied odds. He has chips to gamble, he can get away from the hand here. Also, the check almost looked like you were giving up the hand. So, you screamed that you missed, and you got trapped.

    Overall, you played fine (though, I like continuation betting there), but, I'm not so sure that he did anything wrong flat calling you (reraising you all in pre-flop would have been wrong).
  4. SeizeTheCarp SeizeTheCarp is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 2:50pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    He called 1/11th of his chips to hit a set on the flop one in eight times. With your small reraise here, he can be pretty sure you have a bigger pp. my advice would be to raise more next time or be aware and able to fold the flop if the bet is coming from a solid opponent
  5. WormSlick WormSlick is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 3:47pm) in reply to SeizeTheCarp

    he did not call off 1/11th of his chips...actually if you count the start of the hand as
    the beginning...he called off 1/5th of his chips knowing he was behind to hit his set
    on the flop. I was playing agg as well so i wanted the action...hence the little bit
    under 3x reraise. I just don't see this as being - EV especially when him calling my
    my 6000 raise in proportion to his stack gave him 8.15 to 1 odds....making his call
    break even at best but in the big picture he called off 1/5th of his chips to suck out
    on me on the flop. I probably should have raised a little more. Regardless...if I won this pot I would've been in the top 3. Of course this guy makes the final table and
    goes out a weak 6th...
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  6. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2007 (3/12/2007 4:03pm) in reply to WormSlick

    But worm,

    You don't go back, once you reraised, his 3600 is gone. It's part of the pot, not part of his stack. That makes the call closer to 1/8 of his stack, plus huge implied odds. If he hits he's likely golden (unless you hit too), if he misses, he bails, and can still play.

    Also, looking just at where you would be if you win is bad. Lot's of hands you would be great if you win, but if you aren't winning them, your in trouble.

    You priced him into the call and he hit. You said you wanted action, which is fine. You got what you wanted, and it didn't work this time. Nothing wrong with that, but you were questioning if you overplayed, and now your mad he did what you wanted him to because it worked out for him.
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