Usually I am a patient player.<SPAN> </SPAN>I try not to waste chips and I wait for a good hand or get in cheap and hope to hit a favorable flop.<SPAN> </SPAN>At least early in a tournament.
But last night I ran into a cold deck from start to finish in a live local tourny.<SPAN> </SPAN>Aggressive blinds come later on.<SPAN> </SPAN>You start with 3500 in chips, first levels are 25/25, 25/50, 50/100, 100/200, 200/400 then 300/600. <SPAN> </SPAN>20 minute levels. <SPAN> </SPAN>
Here I am with 2200 in chips and the blinds are 200/400 and I havenít seen a playable hand in almost 2 hours. <SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> Took some shots early with pocket pairs but nothing hit.
</SPAN>The blinds are coming then I will be down to 1600.
Do I come to the point where I say screw it and looked down at 35s and PRETEND I have AA or KK? <SPAN> </SPAN>Play my 35s like itís AA and make a 4x the BB raise and either
1. <SPAN> </SPAN>Win the blinds or
2.<SPAN> </SPAN>Get a nice flop. <SPAN> </SPAN>Betting $1600 in chips or moving in at this point youíre really putting your tournament life on the line. <SPAN> </SPAN>Is that the kind of hand / move you want to go out with.<SPAN> </SPAN>
I said NO, so I waited but then I really didnít get anything, 27, J2, Q2, 47, 93 or something like that.<SPAN> </SPAN>
I never like to fall too short stacked where I canít make a raise of 4 or 5 times the big blind. <SPAN> </SPAN>So I usually try and stick my money in no matter what when I only have 4 or 5 times the big blind remaining. <SPAN> </SPAN>Like under 1600 with 200/400 blinds.
End result is I didnít see a hand and stuck my chips in with 7Ts with 800 left.<SPAN> </SPAN>
After watching Mike Matusow play lately.<SPAN> </SPAN>Should you be pulling more moves like calling a raise, then re-reraise after the flop with nothing, putting people to the test?<SPAN> </SPAN>Or should you only do this about 5 percent of the time. Mike said he wasn't getting any cards all week.
Should you be trying to steal early when the blinds are 25/50, 50/100. or atleast try and see as many cheap flops?
Itís easy to play AA, KK, AK, QQ, JJ, TT but how do you play when you donít see these cards at all?<SPAN> </SPAN>When do you start taking chances.<SPAN> </SPAN>Do you move all-in or just raise like you have AK when you really don't?
it's a tough call because I didn't know I wouldn't get a hand the entire night
when u have 1600 and the blinds are 2/400. u just have to move in with any 2 if it gets folded to you. i've played many tourneys when i am card dead, and almost every pot has been opened before it gets to me. in these cases, there is not much you can do, as you don't have enough chips to re-raise them off a hand. i say move in and hope they don't call. you'll be surprised how often they don't.
that's what I was thinking, you just don't want to move in without the threat of hurting someone's stack.
Read Harrington on how your starting hand standards should change with a dwindling stack.
I dont think dan talked about hands like 27, J2, Q2, 47, 93. What did it say?
He talks a ton about playing short stacked which you were and the cards don't matter at that point. You don't look at it in terms of just the BB either you look at it in terms of M (sb + bb + antes). Once you get down as low as you were, M < 4, your all in raise means nothing as it poses a threat to no one other than those that are in the same situation as you. Once I get down to an M around 5-7 I'm looking at getting all my chips in the middle no matter what cards I have. I'm playing the situation and the other players and not the cards.
Especially playing live. I play in some similiar live tournaments where the blinds raise every 20 minutes. You probably aren't even going to see much more than 10 hands before the blinds go up each time. So really your M is deceiving because in 10 hands instead of an M of 5 or 7 you'll have an M of 2.5 or 3 even if you don't stick 1 chip in the pot. I'd rather get my chips in when my M is 6 than when it's 3 because I've got a better chance of getting someone to fold.
If I'm in the situation live in that type of tourney you described I could double my M to 12 from 6 and then the blinds go up in a few hands and my M is 6 or 8 again. I think you have to be even more aggressive in those types of tournies live because you have to in order to survive. Your cards are important but they become less important as the blinds go up and your M goes down. Try playing position, the other players, and situation rather than your cards.
M < 4 is what?
My moeny less than 4 times around?
Your M is your stack divide by the starting pot. If the blinds are 150/300 and your stack is 1,600, you M is 3.5. If theres ante's just multiply the amount of players at the table by the ante, add it to the blinds and then divide like normal. M is very important and it has helped me a lot after reading Harrington's books.
right...got it. In the past I was just making sure I could raise the bb by atleast 4 times the BB. If I was less than that, then i was in move in stage
I would wait till I have good position in a hand where nobody shows any real strength and try to stael one, something like K5 is at least 40% to any 2 live cards, and I would rather be 40% to win 5000 chips than 80% to win 1500 or something like that. If the deck runs cold like that, you need to try to make a move.
Yes...After 8 months of running bad, I can tell you patience is key when cold decked. Push in when in position and put people to the test. But, I have come back from the short stack, $250, to take the chip lead to many times in the past. It's really a f'ed up game. I think the main point I am trying to make is that no one knows how long the drought will last, and you have a decision to make. Wait patiently, or attack. This decision is based on who is at your table...maniac aggressive, calling stations, or passive tight knuckleheads. Really, I think if you have played long enough you can sense when it's just not your day. It really depends on where you are playing....is it a 4 or 5 day main event, or a 7 hour online event. In a live event....sometimes you have to survive to the next day and hope for a turnaround. Online....different beast.
wtf, 8 months of running bad? are you sure????????
Yes...I am sure.....2 years unstoppable and bam.....pissed off the poker gods. I have managed to break even....probably by being patient. It can and will happen to everyone at one point in their career. It has been a very frustrating time.
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