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  1. WildChild916 WildChild916 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:19pm) in reply to ThePawn

    Watched him play live a few times and was quite impressed... I'm not sure why he gets so much flack about the OESFD WSOP hand, TOUGH situation with a huge difference with 2nd and 3rd with all the attention on you, just played it conservatively/scared. I think hes def. one of the top tournament players.
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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:25pm) in reply to mr. menlo

    "And if you put someone on a hand and that is not the hand that he has it is still a bad play" I think his read was pretty good and gave him good reason to fold. Although jamie didnt have a higher flush draw he did have the open ended. So wasicka was right that jamie was on a draw and alot of times its gunna be a big flush draw.
     
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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:27pm) in reply to ThePawn

    i played in a few cash games with him at the bike and he is a very solid cash game player as well, made some great moves, calls on boards I would not even think of making the same plays, hence why he is around 8 mill richer than me!...tournys, his stats say it, he's got a ton of talent and only growing. Nice guy as well too, quite humble! his blog is a good read too...
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 12:19am) in reply to ThePawn

    To me the fact that both Paul and Jamie G. sat in HSP. Which looked like he belong there? Ding Ding. Paul Wasicka, now I am no master at reading people but he seemed to give very little away. I also read that he had very little heads up experience which I believed cost him the win. But I think he is having the last laugh now.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 12:27am) in reply to mr. menlo

    "he is a moron." -mr. menlo

    Thats gotta be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you're going to judge somebody on one mistake at the final table of the WSOP ME with more money than we'll ever touch on the line, then I guess he's a moron.

    If you wanna judge him on all his plays and results, then he's an amazing player.
     
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 12:55am) in reply to ThePawn

    I think that it wasn't the worst fold in the world given the situation, and I can only think of a situation like that and a satellite bubble when you're guaranteed a spot to fold that hand.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 1:05am) in reply to ThePawn

    I was really impressed with his KQ bluff on Cunningham... seemed to come out of nowhere and was a really well executed play at the perfect time in a high pressure situation.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 1:13am) in reply to gboro780

    Respectfully disagree with tough laydown being tougher than big call...

    I agree that Wasicka plays goot, tho. Seems like a good guy, too.

    I hate his laydown of str8 flush draw at final table, tho. I don't care what he says about his reasoning. You are three handed and can't possibly have a read accurate enough to put Gold on a bigger flush draw. It was the chance of a lifetime with a huge draw... Gotta take it. Him thinking he could beat Gold from a huge deficit was arrogance. No one is that big a favorite HU and EVERYONE is a big dog with a big chip disadvantage. Actually, I disliked the hand he went out on, too, but I understand the play.

    All that being said, I don't think I'm capable of making it as far as he did to be in those spots, so kudos to him.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 1:18am) in reply to pbrentos

    I recall a hand where he checkraised partypsux all in with air in I believe the LAPC... Not a fan of that play... Looked like a classic case of close your eyes and hope for the best...
     
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 2:03am) in reply to ThePawn

    WaSicko.... 'nuff said.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 3:42am) in reply to jeffbeesdat

    he didnt have air on that hand. the board was k-7-2 paul had 5-7 and it was on the bubble. not that bad of a move on bubble.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 8:05am) in reply to ThePawn

    I think too many people are judging him on 1 single hand. Everyone here has the joy of hindsight and the knowledge that he wasn't on the bigger straight flush draw. I also think lots of people are being results oriented. Is it such a bad play if the straight flush didn't hit. What if he layed that hand down and ended up winning the game after Gold's draw misses and Gold loses the game, that ends up being one of those sick laydowns that great players make.

    We didn't see every hand of the WSOP. On tv, we only say a handful. He had a read on Gold. Gold had the big stack and played it correctly (if you have more chips than your opponents, and they are better than you, use your chips as a weapon, which he did).

    Everyone here has made a laydown that, after the fact, they wish they could have played, if they knew what the results would be. Just because you misread a situation doesn't make your play bad. He trusted his gut, and it's being results oriented to see he would have won the hand, so he should have played.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 8:24am) in reply to voff

    That was an absolutely huge draw that I doubt would be folded in any other tournament other than the WSOP. Easy to be the monday morning quarterback and he has a proven track record of laying down hands in the right spot. I still call though in this spot.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 8:37am) in reply to ThePawn

    well menlos post is interesting to say the least

    say a short stack open shoves the SB to your BB, you wake up with AQ, make the call and he flips over AK. Was your call a bad call? Surely not. He just had one of the few hands in his range that had you beat.

    now if gold did have two spades with one higher, in wasicka's mind he would have played it the same way as he did with the hand he actually had. Hence it is a part of his range. I haven't watched the hand for a while so I will soon but, if this is part of his range, was it really a bad laydown? Isn't that what's called being results oriented? Seems to me to be a matter of ranges, he could have been dealt two spades with one paint, or he could have been dealt what he was dealt. If he would have played the same way with both, surely the laydown can't be classified as good or bad just from which two cards he actually flips over.

    from what i recall of the hand i was thinking something like... holy crap no way i fold that
    but if i thought about it and decided he could have higher spades.. i may have agreed with the laydown =S

    also i COMPLETELY disagree with the guy who said wasicka thinking he could take gold from a big chip deficit was arrogance.... this is a disgusting statement. check out tj cloutiers sick comeback in the 90s, i forget who it was against.. i know he ended up losing but still, wasicka is obviously an awesome player and so long as he wasn't in push/fold mode, no doubt in my mind he had a great shot to win, regardless of his stack HU.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 8:56am) in reply to Fife19

    I think he's of Polish extraction...
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:46am) in reply to jeffbeesdat

    it was on the bubble, standard abuse.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 10:13am) in reply to mr. menlo

    menlo what's with all the beef on Wasicka. I remember you made a post a few weeks ago about how he was also a bad online cash game player and started posting hands where he made "mistakes" on. No one is perfect and like 19FM said earlier his read was pretty accurate because he did put Jamie Gold on a "draw", but it just happened to be the wrong draw. So there would be no reason for him to call at that stage if Jamie Gold could easily have a higher flush draw.

    No matter what anyone says he has some decent results also. That cannot be argued against.
     
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 1:11pm) in reply to mr. menlo

    the guy will crush u menlo
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 1:13pm) in reply to Andy McLEOD

    it was 2000 against Ferguson that you're thinking of.
     
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 2:12pm) in reply to voff

    I think Menlo might touch that much on the line. Gotta say though, Menlo v. Wasicka would be great, and my money would be barely on Wasicka.
     
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 12:08am) in reply to eddie24b

    Yeah. I had forgotten about the USPC laydown. Wow.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 12:19am) in reply to RayRoss87

    I noticed that too, Wasicka must have pissed in Menlos Muslix or something.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 2:19am) in reply to ThePawn

    i have no beef with him i think he is overrated but definetly has a great attitude and acts like a true proffesional. that being said I would love to play him heads up in a deep stacked cash game format, I have tried before on ftp, but he only played for like 2 hands then left.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:17am) in reply to ThePawn

    Mr. Menlo is honestly 50 times better than that donk. You will all see. If Wasicka wants to donate to Menlo we would love it. Also great showing Krazy Kanuck, just when I think people couldn't play any worse you come along and prove me wrong. Thanks
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