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Hey guys, I was doing some thinking lately about the advantages that online poker has over live poker, and vice versa, and came up with some interesting points in favor of online poker. Now we've all seen plenty of people hating on online poker for whatever reasons, but that's not what I want this thread to be used for. I want us to discuss things that absolutely make us lose our minds when we play live, especially for the players who play primarily on the internet. I'll get you started off with one that has been upsetting me for a while.
When you're playing a poker tournament, you're constantly trying to absorb information and follow the action as closely as possible, in order to make the correct strategic play. This is made incredibly easy by the innovation of online poker, as all the information is displayed very conveniently, like chip counts, bet sizes, etc...
However, how many times in a live tournament has it folded around to your button, and OOPS, you can't see how many chips the small and big blinds have, because they're hiding their larger value chips behind their smaller value ones. Now while I understand that it is actually a rule to have your larger chips out in front, casino personnel usually treat this as a trivial rule, and are just constantly willing to tell the same offenders to put their larger chips out front. One round later, oops, their chips are hidden again. This makes my blood absolutely boil
Reason for boiling blood: When it folds around to your button, you want to be able to act on your hand without saying anything that is going to give away any information. To any observant player, a question about how many chips are in their stack posed by a potential button raiser sounds like this: "Excuse me, but I am contemplating raising it up to steal your blinds now. Would you please tell me how many chips are in your stack so I can properly assess my risk in performing this task, and hopefully not pot commit myself with this wretched holding I have?" It is just not fair to have to constantly ask this question and give away information to angle shooters who are purposefully disobeying the rules to extract that information. Online, this is never an issue, as you can't hide your chip count. It's a number, and it makes things a lot easier.
Well, I hope this starts up a decent discussion about the things that annoy you in live play. I look forward to responses -
definately a very valid point having to ask gives away a ridiculous amount of information
mine is a much more petty thing but i would say players who have no idea how to play poker wearing sunglasses and taking forever to act EVERYTIME u know the type looks at his cards, looks around the table at the other players lookinig for a "read", looks at his cards again, looks up one more time and then limps from the small blind must have been a tough decision there -
agreed.. both of these bother me. Another related is the player that reluctantly
folds J9.. then has to whisper it to his nieghbor, reacts at the flop or at home
games wants to "save" his rags after every fold and have the run out.
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The thing that always gets to me, are the guys that think they are hard-asses wearing their sunglasses, trying to be as still as a rock as to not give away any reads. Don't get me wrong, for those that wear sunglasses for this intention, it's not this act that bothers me, but when it is obvious that this person just saw poker for the first time on TV two weeks ago and thought he'd be cool by wearing his glasses when he played, this pisses me off way more than it should.
Disclaimer: I do realize that it is advantageous for newbie's to do this sort of thing because they are more prone to giving away tells and everything, but give me a break. When you try to look like a seasoned-pro and you don't even know what a continuation bet is!!! I want to kill you!!! -
Tourney organisers that DONT USE A 2 DECK SYSTEM.................. man this should be a must of every tourney. Ive heard some crazy stories about people not wanting to play with a 2 deck system (2DS) ..... here are some of the best/recent ones
ZJD: I cant play with 2 decks because sometimes when its my turn to act I get confused as to which position I am and may fold or raise a hand that I shouldnt!!!
.... wtf , how big of a moron can you be??
Dude: I was playing with the 2DS and then people were shuffling the cards and were throwing them everywhere!!
.... wtf, wow this guys are idiots.
Anyways, 2DS increases the amounts of hands you see per level and theres no reason to not use it!!! For those who say its too complicated, well, I guess ill play 1DS with them cause if theyre too stupid to use 2DS... how the fack can they play good poker! lol
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That and smoking at the table.
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And regarding hiding the highest chips I always make it a point to tell everyone that the rules state that you have to show your highest denomination... also, I like to get approx. chip counts of people at my table, usually after every break. -
i wear the mask from the old scream movies, that always gets the calls i want.
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No ones has cool nick names like stub
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People that screw with their chips when they have no ability to do so.
They just pick up and drop their chips making that goddamn clicking sound and it just pisses me off because they aren't doing anything.
And, also, people that stack their chips in one stack with the big ones on the bottom in tournies...and then pick up the entire stack...move their hand and then call the BB.
I want to slap them -
1) People having to be told constantly that it's their turn to act or post blinds
2) People acting out of turn
3) People loudly speculating about a hand while it's still going on (and they're not in it)
4) Endless agonizing over trivial decisions
5) Cocktail waitresses anywhere close to my age -
I have only played a few live tournaments at the Crown here in Melbourne. Not long after I turned 18 (the legal age for gambling, drinking etc is 18 in Australia) I played my first live tourney there when I was just learning how to play the game. I was so used to the ease of online play I honestly didn't even try to keep track of my opponent's stack sizes. I even stopped keeping track of my own chip count at times.
Late in the tourney it was folded to me in the SB and I looked down at 63o. I knew I was short-stacked and had to steal the BB so I said raise and started counting out a raise. I soon realised I barely had enough to make a minimum raise. Uh oh...now the BB has to call right? He's priced in. How can he ignore those overwhelming pot odds? Well he looked at his cards, thought for a few seconds and folded. Lucky me.
We were closing in on the bubble too and I managed to triple up a few hands later and go on to cash in my first live tourney. I was pretty happy with that back then. That was also the first turbo I played (basically). The blind structure was awful. We started with 1500 chips, blinds 25/50 and doubling whenever the tourney director felt like it. Although, I think their tournaments have improved since Hachem won the main event (increasing the popularity of the game here). -
Ok I hate when I raise it up with say AA and a guy calls with QQ and I take a big pot on a board of say 844. And there's always that guy that says man you're lucky I didnt call that raise I had 84. Like I should feel lucky he didn't call off half his stack with 84 out of position
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I love it when people play out of a rack.
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"Excuse me, but I am contemplating raising it up to steal your blinds now. Would you please tell me how many chips are in your stack so I can properly assess my risk in performing this task, and hopefully not pot commit myself with this wretched holding I have?"
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I'd rather not kill them because that eliminates one more person I can take money from.
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One thing I like is when girls with fat ass titties are at my table.
Last night at morongo some chick has some dope ass big titties popping out and was sitting directing across from me. Needless to say I was having a hard time making my staring look incospicuous.... but hey it made waiting around better.
The bitch sucked out on everyone all night long too.... cept me, I donked off my chips to someone else. -
I personally am a much much bigger fan of live poker. I saw very few good post in this thread as to the pros of online poker. Sure some people wear glasses and dont know what they are doing and act hard and take a longtime. SOO, that should be what you want, those same people play an online tourney and play wreckless and you never see them and know what kinda player they are. As for the chip arrgument, I dont think you would be giving too much info away by sayin something like "put your blacks up front". JMO
ONLINE POKER IS OWNED BY LIVE POKER -
RHCNNN this thread is about what you hate about live play you horny fk'n bastard ;)
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Used to be true, how many people you think would be in the WSOP ME without online qualifiers.....1000? 1500? -
Live:
I dislike players that wont STFU. I mean, a little talk here and there, yeah. But, do you really need to talk about what you did all day at the top of your lungs?
Players that think you don't have the right to know how many chips they have, and if you ask, it's some huge deal.
That's about it.
Live is easier than online, IMO. For me, there are many more tells, and my instincts are right FAR more often than they are online. I think you can get more creative live. I also think that, in general, you can figure out where you're at in the touney pretty easily, and count other's chips fairly easy. I think you can profile an opponent easier as well. Of course, I might just be saying this because I'm profitable playing live, and unprofitable playing online...lol. -
My pet peeve is when you are sitting at my table :-)
No, seriously, here's a list of things that annoy me to no end:
1. People to my left who act out of position. My cards are ALWAYS visible. Don't tell me you didn't see them. Admit that you looked down at A8 and couldn't wait to raise (but they were SOOOOOOOTED!)
2. People who, when it is their turn to act, do anything BUT act. This includes stacking chips from the last pot, flirting with the waitress who is so far out of your league it's stopped being funny, telling your railbird buddies how unlucky you are, etc.
3. People who don't shower. That shit is assault, and one of these times, I am going to press charges.
4. Floorpeople who don't know the rules themselves. If you are gonna be an arbitrator of the rules, then read the frigging rulebook.
5. People who agonize aloud about a decision they made an hour ago. Especially if it was a laydown. Especially if it was to you. But ESPECIALLY if you didn't show your cards.
6. People who somehow can't grasp that, when I am listening to my iPod, it means that I DON'T want to talk to them.
And, some personal favorites...
1. Coffeehousers who get indignant when you toss that shit back that them.
2. Dealers who taunt you when your AA gets sucked out on by KK.
3. Tournament directors who break tables early and leave you without a seat.
As for the chip count issue, one way to counter that is to ask their stacks every hand their big chips are not visible. Eventually, this will annoy the table to the point where the person won't be able to hide them, cause other people will yell at them. Also, it should, hopefully, spur the dealer to action in making sure they are visible. Don't relent. It masks your intentions each hand, and it slows down action enough to get the proper action taken. Get the floor involved if necessary. Stealing blinds is crucial in a tourney, and you can't have this jeopardized by angle shooters and ignorami. -
Yes, what Jeff said is true. The internet poker boom has led to a lot of inept people sitting in your live tournaments. Another thing that I really love now in live tournament play that is usually indicative of an online player ruining the game is when they're so brutally incompetent at handling/counting their chips when making a raise/call.
Example: let's say the blinds are 400-800, and some guy raises to 3000....now Mr. Internet wants to make a reraise, and grabs a large stack of purple chips ($500). Now you get to sit there, and no joke, watch this imbecile stack them in stacks of TWO, and SLOWWWWWWLY. Eventually, you see fifteen stacks of 2 purple chips on the felt, and 2 painful minutes later, it's the next guy's turn to act. Seriously, if you are one of these people doing what Mr. Internet is doing in this example, I'm sitting there screaming inside, and rooting for your head to explode. -
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exactly, GB...in a major tourney with lots of time, the lack of hands pumped out by the dealer isn't such a big deal. But try, for example to play the weekly omaha 8 tourney at the Taj Mahal. Any time a dealer can't read the hands, or quickly and correctly split the pot in omaha, I fantasize about ending their life in violent fashion. I imagine that being tortured for information is more fun than playing live omaha









