Five players have been conducting studies over the past year on a gaming network called Pitbull Poker.

This is how it began. A player by the name of "yousmellfunny" created an account because of their bounty tournament that included TJ Cloutier. As this player built up his roll he decided to play cash games aside form his usual MTT's. As a very knowleged and respected amid the online games, He started to notice money missing off of players stacks.

As he further investigated the site was shaving money fom the pots when it was in the middle of the table. Obviously aside from the rake. He confirmed the numbers to vary from $.02 to $25.00, just disappearing into thin air. Than he sat down to see if it would happen to him. Lo and Behold it did. Here is an email he has forwarded to us with exchange conversation between himself and PBdave (the network manager). This email was written after many unseuccessful attempts to come to a conclusionwith live support, completely denying that ever happened.

From: ********************************
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:18 AM
To: Dave Brenes
Subject: Re: hello

Hello Dave,

Three days ago I was playing on one of your plo8 cash tables. As I was at the table two players were involved in a pot which both players ended up going all in.. It was a split pot and their money was returned. I was pretty certain one of the players was missing $25 and it was not because he was quartered in the pot. I thought I must have made a mistake so I ignored it and thought nothing more of it. Last night I was on the plo8 tables and I was involved in a pot which we both went all in. We both had the high str8 and was a split pot. He had $44 at the table I had $34 (approx) however I was returned only $24 and same with him. The other $10 disappeared out of nowhere. The two players I was playing with both agreed that my money just up and "disappeared" for no reason. I contacted live support and they admitted after giving them my hand history and such that they are aware of this problem. Also that I would be refunded my money later on sometime.

So in all I do not see how a glitch in a software can mainly be taking players money without permission or reason? How many players have been affected by this and gone unoticed? How is my money safe here? Why did I not receive any emails from management or support staff to be aware of this problem if they already knew?

Dave as we have talked over the past week you have taken note to my issues here with pitbull poker. Now this comes about another issue, this one more serious than the others. My own personal money being taken by your website out of nowhere is not a joke. I want my entire account tracked by whomever to make sure this hasn't happened before to me and to be retributed properly if so.

If you would like to speak further on this issue I will be available by phone at 2pm and there after at the number stated in my account.

I do expect a full explanation as to what is going on here.

his reply

From: Dave Brenes <dave@pitbullgaming.com>
To: **********************
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:03:54 PM
Subject: RE: hello

******

I’m very sorry I haven’t called you, I will do it tomorrow morning as I am really looking into this matter with the programmers and is taking all of my time. Cheers!

Regards,

Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com

Phone: (514) 907.9324

Skype: dave.brenes


From: Dave Brenes <dave@pitbullgaming.com>
To: ****************************
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2008 1:38:08 PM
Subject: RE: hello

Hi *****,

We will be compensating all players effected by this issue. This is already taking place and all players are being looked over on the entire network.

Regards,

Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com

Phone: (514) 907.9324

Skype: dave.brenes

This is the very tip of the iceberg...and is going to have tonnes of evidence to show. Its too hard to just post it all here as it will take days of reading and people will not be attracted to such a list. So I will continue to post throughout the thread all of the evidence. Which will also conclude evidence of a very possible super using situation

I started reading about this the other day on 2+2 and it seemed like a bunch of shady shit was going on over there at Pitbull Poker. Hopefully they get shut down, this is the last thing online poker needs right now.

I am not surprised that a no-name site was ripping off people. What is there to stop them from ripping people off? Who has legal jurisdiction on those sites?

I'm not jumping on anyone for trying out a new site, especially if they have someone like TJ Cloutier associated with them. But there has to be some sort of expectation that there will be problems - from "software" problems to depositing/cashing out problems to blatant attempts to rip-off their customer base.

Thanks for bring this to our attention. And good luck to anyone affect by this site.

 

Originally Posted by bef99hwk

Prolly why you should stick to top 2 sites only.

PitBull Poker is way below the top two sites; it's not even in the top 20 sites. This isn't really a fair statement to make. Just about everyone I've ever talked to has thought that site was shady as hell, and that's why our entire network of more than 20 affiliate sites stays away from promoting them. What happened there is in no ways a stain on Cake Poker, Merge, iPoker, OnGame, everest, and the many other sites who are doing very good business and happen to not be stars or Full Tilt.

Thats fucked....
Is it me, or does he sound like a complete retard? His responses are llol and written so poorly and unprofessional.

anyone remember that guy that used to post in PD about mtts on pitbull and he would just post all the results from them - that was pretty entertaining for a while

We tried numerous times to make seperate threads on 2p2 with our study conducted but one of the mods kept merging ours with his. Not giving it the attention our findings needed. So we started to post some emails as we have here...and people started getting offended we were trying to take the OP's thunder..? Which is crazy we just want this gaming network shut down. We started to have an issue with trolls and a few prideful and angry posters.

We contacted one of the mods via PM and asked we be given permission to make our own thread with very enticing and well informed evidence..instead of a thread with guessing games and accusation. So the poker communtiy could be well informed on the actual facts. It was denied and we just gave up on 2p2 because of the amount of trolling and negativety to what we were revealing.

Just wanted to out this so there is no confusion on any situations.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rusers-540094/

So far basically this just proves they are shady and have stolen from players and to this day have not refunded anyone. Theri response is simple. They never asked for their money back so too bad.

Over the next few days We will be posting hand histories and other information.

More envidence will be posted over the days as we combine it all together and display it here.

 

Originally Posted by bef99hwk

Prolly why you should stick to top 2 sites only.

prolly good advice.

trix are for kids

Another thing. That is of very serious importance is:

transmitting card data is unecrypted

do a traceroute on the pitbull poker domain
all of those IPs listed have your card data

In english...it means your cards can be seen by other users on the same server as the site : example: employees at the table etc etc.

You're cards are not protected by security measures..and are vulnerable to super using

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

Playing at this site, and giving them your rake, is like eating at a restaurant where you know the cook jerks off into the soup because you get free crackers with it.

Are we talking Ritz crackers or just plain old saltines?

 

Originally Posted by scarface_79

Online poker is 100% legit! man u ppl are dumb, why would a site that makes millions in free money risk it all? that would never happen, silly kids, sigh

i agree about this as it comes to big sites who are cash cows, but small sites who make less rake then u think because half of the traffic is probably props might made retarded buisness decisions when their back is to the wall.

that being said i think most people are over paranoid but its par for the course now days.