Five players have been conducting studies over the past year on a gaming network called Pitbull Poker.

This is how it began. A player by the name of "yousmellfunny" created an account because of their bounty tournament that included TJ Cloutier. As this player built up his roll he decided to play cash games aside form his usual MTT's. As a very knowleged and respected amid the online games, He started to notice money missing off of players stacks.

As he further investigated the site was shaving money fom the pots when it was in the middle of the table. Obviously aside from the rake. He confirmed the numbers to vary from $.02 to $25.00, just disappearing into thin air. Than he sat down to see if it would happen to him. Lo and Behold it did. Here is an email he has forwarded to us with exchange conversation between himself and PBdave (the network manager). This email was written after many unseuccessful attempts to come to a conclusionwith live support, completely denying that ever happened.

From: ********************************
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:18 AM
To: Dave Brenes
Subject: Re: hello

Hello Dave,

Three days ago I was playing on one of your plo8 cash tables. As I was at the table two players were involved in a pot which both players ended up going all in.. It was a split pot and their money was returned. I was pretty certain one of the players was missing $25 and it was not because he was quartered in the pot. I thought I must have made a mistake so I ignored it and thought nothing more of it. Last night I was on the plo8 tables and I was involved in a pot which we both went all in. We both had the high str8 and was a split pot. He had $44 at the table I had $34 (approx) however I was returned only $24 and same with him. The other $10 disappeared out of nowhere. The two players I was playing with both agreed that my money just up and "disappeared" for no reason. I contacted live support and they admitted after giving them my hand history and such that they are aware of this problem. Also that I would be refunded my money later on sometime.

So in all I do not see how a glitch in a software can mainly be taking players money without permission or reason? How many players have been affected by this and gone unoticed? How is my money safe here? Why did I not receive any emails from management or support staff to be aware of this problem if they already knew?

Dave as we have talked over the past week you have taken note to my issues here with pitbull poker. Now this comes about another issue, this one more serious than the others. My own personal money being taken by your website out of nowhere is not a joke. I want my entire account tracked by whomever to make sure this hasn't happened before to me and to be retributed properly if so.

If you would like to speak further on this issue I will be available by phone at 2pm and there after at the number stated in my account.

I do expect a full explanation as to what is going on here.

his reply

From: Dave Brenes <dave@pitbullgaming.com>
To: **********************
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:03:54 PM
Subject: RE: hello

******

I’m very sorry I haven’t called you, I will do it tomorrow morning as I am really looking into this matter with the programmers and is taking all of my time. Cheers!

Regards,

Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com

Phone: (514) 907.9324

Skype: dave.brenes


From: Dave Brenes <dave@pitbullgaming.com>
To: ****************************
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2008 1:38:08 PM
Subject: RE: hello

Hi *****,

We will be compensating all players effected by this issue. This is already taking place and all players are being looked over on the entire network.

Regards,

Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com

Phone: (514) 907.9324

Skype: dave.brenes

This is the very tip of the iceberg...and is going to have tonnes of evidence to show. Its too hard to just post it all here as it will take days of reading and people will not be attracted to such a list. So I will continue to post throughout the thread all of the evidence. Which will also conclude evidence of a very possible super using situation

Not only did they not shut the site down for repairs but they did not reimburse any of the players on the network except for the player found this flaw. PBdave acknowledged they knew about this in the past.

From: Dave Brenes <dave@pitbullgaming.com>
To: *******************************
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 1:43:17 PM
Subject: RE: hello

Hi ******,

Certainly December is a busy month for everyone, I hope you and your family spend some quality time together and enjoy these holidays a lot. The Omaha bug has been fixed and the new update will be released early next week, as we don’t release stuff on weekends since it is risky and we are still testing it. As for our RNG we have the iTech Labs certificate, so it should be fine. We will renew it next year to keep up to date.

Let me know if you need anything. Cheers!

Regards,

Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com

Phone: (514) 907.9324

Skype: dave.brenes

I started reading about this the other day on 2+2 and it seemed like a bunch of shady shit was going on over there at Pitbull Poker. Hopefully they get shut down, this is the last thing online poker needs right now.

I am not surprised that a no-name site was ripping off people. What is there to stop them from ripping people off? Who has legal jurisdiction on those sites?

I'm not jumping on anyone for trying out a new site, especially if they have someone like TJ Cloutier associated with them. But there has to be some sort of expectation that there will be problems - from "software" problems to depositing/cashing out problems to blatant attempts to rip-off their customer base.

Thanks for bring this to our attention. And good luck to anyone affect by this site.

fine so far right? he admits to them knowing about it and will fix it.

this is where it gets bad. He did not reimburse any players, he did not shut the site down for repairs but allowed players to continue playing. The hand histories with the money factualities were deleted. We have hand histories to prove this as you will see over the next coming days.

Here are some PM traded with one of the 5 players after posting an email on 2p2 today.
Within 5 minutes of this person posting he was contacted by PBdave

I am not sure where your arguments come from, but Pitbull Poker has not scammed any player in any way if that is what you are implying. We are actually working to provide all the pertinent information to chesterboy so he can make all the analysis he wants to prove there is no illegal activity on our end.

Thank you.

Dave

the reply

Dave there is a handful of players that have been placed on your site since ``yousmellfunny`` revealed to us you were taking money off the tables. You didnt warn any players about this situation, you did not reimburse even half the players if any. We sat there, lost money to your `flaw`` and were never reimbursed.

pbdave PitBull Poker Customer Support Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 133

Re: From Pitbull Poker what's your screen name on Pitbull Poker?

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Re: From Pitbull Poker what's your screen name on Pitbull Poker?

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Re: From Pitbull Poker what's your screen name on Pitbull Poker?

what's your screen name on Pitbull Poker?

lol please.....

FYI: yousmellfunny issue was resolved and no other player provided sufficient data to proceed accordingly. If you have more data please email me and we settled between you and the company.

We want to help our players and if you need more in depth review I'll be glad to do it with you.

Thanks

Dave

Of course his issue was resolved. What were you going to do.ignore his findings. It is not up to the player but up to you to reimburse those players. You should have done a thorough investigation, announced it and reimbures all players. Alot of players were unaware of it. yousmellfunny was smart enough to catch on, contact us, we all created accounts and had it happen to us. We gave more than sufficient time for Pitbull to contact us and reveal we were some of the players affected by this. We werent and you guys kept them money. Thats stealing and being dishonest

I'd be glad to sit down and go through your issue, send me your screen name and registered email.

Of course it was resolved because we work with the players that contact us to receive assistance.

Yousmellfunny issue was no longer reported or spotted afterwards, I'll be glad to look into your "findings" to further improve our capabilities of bringing a better service.

We are not interested in stealing, we want to rectify any issue that has occurred to our players. Please provide me with your screen name and registered email address.

Thanks

Dave



Dave that is not the point. Again, Your gaming network should have ceased all operations while this flaw was to be fixed. Hundreds of players were victim to this and you did nothing to reimburse them. 90% of them didnt even know it was going on. You guys did, and you did nothing to give back to the players.

this ^^^^ is just to rectify that dave admits fully and was fully aware of the shadyness

Another interesting finding which floors me.

Pitbull Gaming is a multifaceted company that is a leading developer of online flash poker and casino gaming software. They are an innovative company that supplies the online gaming. Pitbull Gaming operates Pitbull Poker, Pitbull Casino and The Flash Poker Network.

In all they regulate themselves nobody oversee's them.

Thats fucked....
Is it me, or does he sound like a complete retard? His responses are llol and written so poorly and unprofessional.

I never even heard of that site before.

Way to prove the old "There's no such thing as bad publicity" theory wrong.

anyone remember that guy that used to post in PD about mtts on pitbull and he would just post all the results from them - that was pretty entertaining for a while

As we were still conducting our study up to a few days ago. A thread surfaced on 2p2 by "chesterboy" about the super user scandel. Than many players joined in on the conversation and ackowledged the possibility.

One of the people doing the study messaged chesterboy...and asked some questions and wanted some HH from him. He ignored the PM. The later Pmer was banned due to previous trolling..I believe the situation.

As chesterboy only wanted answers he did not have much evidence. amazingly and we are still stumped as to how. All 5 of our accounts were closed on Pitbull Poker...and the study ceased. We first noticed action because our Hand histories started to be deleted and the "money amounts, such as rake taken and the amount in pots" in the hand histories disappeared.

We tried numerous times to make seperate threads on 2p2 with our study conducted but one of the mods kept merging ours with his. Not giving it the attention our findings needed. So we started to post some emails as we have here...and people started getting offended we were trying to take the OP's thunder..? Which is crazy we just want this gaming network shut down. We started to have an issue with trolls and a few prideful and angry posters.

We contacted one of the mods via PM and asked we be given permission to make our own thread with very enticing and well informed evidence..instead of a thread with guessing games and accusation. So the poker communtiy could be well informed on the actual facts. It was denied and we just gave up on 2p2 because of the amount of trolling and negativety to what we were revealing.

Just wanted to out this so there is no confusion on any situations.

Back to actual facts.

This is the company Structure:

http://www.theflashpokernetwork.com/...k_company.html Loction Costa Rica, San Pedro.

Server Location: Panama City
http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail...ll&ab=68834473

Client (skin) PitbullPoker.com Dimensus Ltd.

Which means basically they are the same people. Someone on 2p2 also revealed this fact that as we did.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rusers-540094/

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

Under no circumstances, including negligence, shall Flash Poker be liable for any special, incidental, indirect, or consequential damages whatsoever (including, without limitation, damages for loss of business profits, business interruption, loss of business information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use (or misuse) of the Software, the Games or your accessing the Site or the Servers, even if Flash Poker had prior knowledge of the possibility of such damages.

So far basically this just proves they are shady and have stolen from players and to this day have not refunded anyone. Theri response is simple. They never asked for their money back so too bad.

Over the next few days We will be posting hand histories and other information.

cant wait to see pitbull poker sponsored players at next yrs wsop

More envidence will be posted over the days as we combine it all together and display it here.

prolly good advice.

trix are for kids

Another thing. That is of very serious importance is:

transmitting card data is unecrypted

do a traceroute on the pitbull poker domain
all of those IPs listed have your card data

In english...it means your cards can be seen by other users on the same server as the site : example: employees at the table etc etc.

You're cards are not protected by security measures..and are vulnerable to super using

Why do people p[lay of sites other than FTP and Poker Stars...everything else is shady as hell.