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Players with huge volume and huge cashes but marginal (at best) ROI

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  1. CJDeman CJDeman is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 10:34am) in reply to Limo Wreck

    Since we dont know who this is , how do we know he is not running above expectation? Maybe he binked a major for $200k 2 years ago and has proceeded to lose back $30k a year since then.

    Re. the actual stats, profit should be the main consideration unless there is an opportunity cost to the time spent playing poker.
     
  2. deadeyed deadeyed is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 12:06pm) in reply to adamsapple19

    i wish i was 134k up...you could laugh at me all you want then

    ps...get a life
    Edited By: deadeyed Oct 25th, 2010 at 12:06 PM
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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 1:31pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    I may be wrong but im quite sure the top line is for hu play. So most have his games have been hu. 9% seems reasonable when playing high stakes hu games.
     
  4. Marky_Crash Marky_Crash is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 1:55pm) in reply to deemer6

     
    Originally Posted by deemer6 View Post

    I may be wrong but im quite sure the top line is for hu play. So most have his games have been hu. 9% seems reasonable when playing high stakes hu games.

    Have to be some epic HU games to have average field sizes over 500.
     
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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 3:32pm) in reply to Marky_Crash

    Is 12k games really not enough of a sample size to determine someones expected long term roi? I feel like you can only blame variance and running bad for so long...
    Edited By: StayCalm Oct 25th, 2010 at 11:06 PM
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    Oct 25th, 2010 (10/25/2010 3:52pm) in reply to Marky_Crash

     
    Originally Posted by Marky_Crash View Post

    Have to be some epic HU games to have average field sizes over 500.

    sigh... i must be on crack... ur right. i was just looking at the normal opr lines
     
  7. noctus noctus is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2010 (10/31/2010 1:59pm) in reply to ImaLuckSac

     
    Originally Posted by ImaLuckSac View Post

    This thread is ridic... obv ppl have no clue about variance

    Few will understand the variance an EPT winner has experienced...

    In general, it's pretty annoying listening to all the whines around ROI and such. ROI is pretty important but it's such a small piece of the overall picture and on it's own it doesn't paint a very clear picture. For example, a buddy of mine has been playing more MTT sessions and more MTTs in those sessions and he's whining about his ROI dropping. I try to be nice, but boy is it hard when people say such stupid things. B/c, you know, there's only ONE way to continuously increase intra-session volume (number of tournies within a session) without decreasing ROI. Can you guess it? -100% ROI. Otherwise you'd just make multiple accounts on each site and grind 1,200 tournies a day.

    There are a lot of statistics readily available that are pretty useless. Since we don't play just one table at a time (like live) i think the more significant stats are profits per period, and if possible, an hourly over a certain period. Anyone every calculate how much they make per hour of play? Wouldn't that be a cool stat to compare. But from a lot of the posts in this thread I doubt that many would be able to do that math.
    Edited By: noctus Oct 31st, 2010 at 03:11 PM
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    Oct 31st, 2010 (10/31/2010 2:47pm) in reply to noctus

    i allways been a big fan of looking at ppl stats, roi etc.



    in my experience, if you played 10k games at an average field of like 250 players, that means much more to my eyes than the same sample at an average field of 1200 players, where the variance is a huge part of the numbers we see.

    to filter the turbo mtts also helps, cuz some grinders play like 50% of turbo mtts or more and thats def not the same animal.

    and of course, a 60% roi doesn't means the same thing at an average buy-in of 17$ or 156$.


    thats basically just pure logic, but that was my 2 stat-junkie cents.
     
  9. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2010 (10/31/2010 5:08pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

     
    Originally Posted by LiquidSw0rd View Post

    i allways been a big fan of looking at ppl stats, roi etc.

    in my experience, if you played 10k games at an average field of like 250 players, that means much more to my eyes than the same sample at an average field of 1200 players, where the variance is a huge part of the numbers we see.

    to filter the turbo mtts also helps, cuz some grinders play like 50% of turbo mtts or more and thats def not the same animal.

    and of course, a 60% roi doesn't means the same thing at an average buy-in of 17$ or 156$.

    thats basically just pure logic, but that was my 2 stat-junkie cents.

    pretty much this... the bigger the average field size, the bigger sample size is relevant in determining your true ROI. In fields as big as 1,500-2,500 runners, a 12,000 game sample def isn't enough to show you're true ROI, tho, it will probably show a lot of things, including whehter of not you are a winning player.
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