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Playing KK against chip leader late in tourney

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  1. Boris Karloff Boris Karloff is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 1:09am)

    At the time this happened the chip leader was pushing the table around quite a bit and I felt I could take the pot down pre flop with a push. But since I've had time to think about it, I feel that maybe there was just to much risk playing this hand this way.

    How do you play this hand?

    pokerstars Game #6053565707: Tournament #30264820, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2006/08/26 - 00:32:11 (ET)
    Table '30264820 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: DrDorthia (26415 in chips)
    Seat 2: cashtorg (20373 in chips)
    Seat 3: lee xxx (112375 in chips)
    Seat 4: amielt (21908 in chips)
    Seat 5: BorisKarloff (44808 in chips)
    Seat 6: brzgroup (21114 in chips)
    Seat 7: jjroe50 (21827 in chips)
    Seat 8: croth8 (27330 in chips)
    Seat 9: Phaedrus (16775 in chips)
    DrDorthia: posts the ante 75
    cashtorg: posts the ante 75
    lee xxx: posts the ante 75
    amielt: posts the ante 75
    BorisKarloff: posts the ante 75
    brzgroup: posts the ante 75
    jjroe50: posts the ante 75
    croth8: posts the ante 75
    Phaedrus: posts the ante 75
    croth8: posts small blind 800
    Phaedrus: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BorisKarloff [Kd Kc]
    DrDorthia: folds
    cashtorg: raises 3200 to 4800
    lee xxx: raises 8000 to 12800
    amielt: folds
    BorisKarloff: raises 31933 to 44733 and is all-in
    brzgroup: folds
    jjroe50: folds
    croth8: folds
    Phaedrus: folds
    cashtorg: folds
    lee xxx: calls 31933
    *** FLOP *** [6c 4s Jd]
    *** TURN *** [6c 4s Jd] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [6c 4s Jd 9s] [Th]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    lee xxx: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
    BorisKarloff: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
    lee xxx collected 97341 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 97341 | Rake 0
    Board [6c 4s Jd 9s Th]
    Seat 1: DrDorthia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: cashtorg folded before Flop
    Seat 3: lee xxx showed [Ac As] and won (97341) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: amielt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BorisKarloff showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 6: brzgroup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: jjroe50 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: croth8 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Phaedrus (big blind) folded before Flop
  2. dolce dolce is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 1:49am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    it's just a cooler

    all the money is getting in anyway
  3. isuckbadly isuckbadly is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 2:03am) in reply to dolce

    same way u did.
  4. MetalGod MetalGod is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 2:28am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    Nothing wrong with your play...just the cooler here...you're doomed in this hand.

    This is a risk you can take with KK every time...you're not going to run into aces a majority of the time...and this is a great spot to try and double up.
  5. Boris Karloff Boris Karloff is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 2:43am) in reply to MetalGod

    Thx for the responses, I've run my KK into this situation two times in a week, both times while deep in a MTT with a good amount of chips.

    Thx again

    boris
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  6. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 2:54am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    i go broke here as well...If you say hes been pushing the table around and i look down at KK and see him re raising again the 1st thing i think about is how hes gonna dbl me up and make me the chipleader. dont sweat it
  7. isuckbadly isuckbadly is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 3:45am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    KK preflop is a never fold ONLINE.
  8. icecoldkiller icecoldkiller is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 2:20pm) in reply to Boris Karloff

    I gues two distinct thoughts of logic here, where the vast majority is push all in.

    I looked over your chips and the early position where the chip leader reraised. IMHO, folding here is not a bad idea. I am sure you are here for the money, and you have a top 3 working here right now. The chip leader is isolating against cashtorg, so why not let cashtorg call and move you up the ladder here?
  9. JoshWhitt JoshWhitt is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 4:08pm) in reply to Boris Karloff

    I'm broke here without a doubt as well. KK is a great starting hand, and if he has been over agressive it'd be a great chance to doublel up. Running into A's here is just bad luck.
  10. omwttt omwttt is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 5:20pm) in reply to Boris Karloff

    Lucky you.. KK vs AA always takes me out before I even get itm.
  11. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 5:58pm) in reply to icecoldkiller

    this is the worst advice i ever seen
  12. runner91 runner91 is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 9:49pm) in reply to Cortz

    loooooooooooooooooooool
  13. deadmoney_18 deadmoney_18 is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 10:10pm) in reply to icecoldkiller

    Is this a joke?

    Why would you ever fold KK in this spot?
  14. The Fish100 The Fish100 is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2006 (8/29/2006 11:23pm) in reply to Boris Karloff

    There are times to fold KK, however, I do not think this was one of them. You played the hand well.
  15. Boris Karloff Boris Karloff is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2006 (8/30/2006 1:14am) in reply to The Fish100

    I appreciate all the responces to this post, I'm always looking to improve my game.

    I never ever considered folding here......I did consider calling or re-re-raise but figured there was no way I was going to fold to a push, also a raise or call has little or no fold equity in this situation.
    When I'm unsure about the best play I normally choose the more aggressive of the choices, thus the push.

    What do you do here with AK,QQ,JJ

    for me AK fold, QQ call, JJ fold

    thx again boris
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  16. isuckbadly isuckbadly is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2006 (8/30/2006 2:23am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    today i had KK and was absolutley positive the other guy had AA and i called and went all in ne how lol.
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    Aug 30th, 2006 (8/30/2006 5:33am) in reply to icecoldkiller

    Icecoldkiller... you made losing half a grand today a little easier thanks for the laugh :)
  18. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2006 (8/30/2006 10:50am) in reply to Boris Karloff

    I'm not a big fan of a re-raise here. The best hands are really best against 1 other hand. You really don't want to keep the others around. To a bet and a re-raise, I like going all-in. You signal that you have a monster hand, odds are one will duck out. If both fold, you are still getting a decent pot. You got exactly what you wanted, one caller. He happened to have a better hand than you. It doesn't happen often, so don't worry about it.
  19. caribstv caribstv is offline

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    Aug 31st, 2006 (8/31/2006 4:35pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    Big Cooler!! gueese I felt that one myself
  20. Willywoo Willywoo is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:53pm) in reply to caribstv

    The only thing worse that could have happened, happened to me in a live tournament last week. I have AA in the pocket, early 3xs raiser, I push over the top he calls, He turns over QQ. Yep, hit his Q on the river. gg Me. Stuff happens. Thats why it's poker and not "Mansion promo bet".
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