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playing mid pair with gutter in unraised 3 way pot...edit: turn added...edit: the river

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  1. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

    Chicago, IL
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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 12:06pm)

    no real reads on these guys. taranis was a little active, and i was cautious of his limp. the idea of a pf raise crossed my mind. what do u think of a pf raise? there are 11 players left and im in the middle of the pack.

    pokerstars Game #10883326050: Tournament #55166126, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/07/11 - 11:53:05 (ET)
    Table '55166126 12' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: erik1331 (30310 in chips)
    Seat 2: aksuited13 (29477 in chips)
    Seat 3: odiggitydog (17342 in chips)
    Seat 5: Caligula G (3806 in chips)
    Seat 6: Denzil888 (8720 in chips)
    Seat 8: Taranis05 (28469 in chips)
    erik1331: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts the ante 50
    odiggitydog: posts the ante 50
    Caligula G: posts the ante 50
    Denzil888: posts the ante 50
    Taranis05: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts small blind 400
    odiggitydog: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to odiggitydog [4h 5c]
    Caligula G: folds
    Denzil888: folds
    Taranis05: calls 800
    erik1331: calls 800
    aksuited13: folds
    odiggitydog: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5s 7s 3c]
    odiggitydog: checks
    Taranis05: checks
    erik1331: bets 2400

    what now?
     
  2. mash mash is offline

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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 12:37pm) in reply to odiggitydog

    I'd definitely fold, you didn't invest much in the hand and you can lose much. Raise preflop is really silly, you like to play shitty hands out of position? I don't think so.
     
  3. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 1:17pm) in reply to mash

    the raise pf was an idea to punish the limpers with a hand thats not likely to be dominated. the idea is to chip up for the final table. late in a tournament, hand strength can become irrelavant. attacking weakness, and taking down pots without a confrontation is crucial.
     
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  4. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 1:20pm) in reply to odiggitydog

    i decided to float a card since the button could be taking a stab at it. i want to reevaluate on turn.

    pokerstars Game #10883326050: Tournament #55166126, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/07/11 - 11:53:05 (ET)
    Table '55166126 12' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: erik1331 (30310 in chips)
    Seat 2: aksuited13 (29477 in chips)
    Seat 3: odiggitydog (17342 in chips)
    Seat 5: Caligula G (3806 in chips)
    Seat 6: Denzil888 (8720 in chips)
    Seat 8: Taranis05 (28469 in chips)
    erik1331: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts the ante 50
    odiggitydog: posts the ante 50
    Caligula G: posts the ante 50
    Denzil888: posts the ante 50
    Taranis05: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts small blind 400
    odiggitydog: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to odiggitydog [4h 5c]
    Caligula G: folds
    Denzil888: folds
    Taranis05: calls 800
    erik1331: calls 800
    aksuited13: folds
    odiggitydog: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5s 7s 3c]
    odiggitydog: checks
    Taranis05: checks
    erik1331: bets 2400
    odiggitydog: calls 2400
    Taranis05: folds
    *** TURN *** [5s 7s 3c] [9c]
    odiggitydog: checks
    erik1331: bets 4500

    and now?
     
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  5. fdel15 fdel15 is offline

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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 1:39pm) in reply to odiggitydog

    I think now you definitley have to fold. Your opponent has shown strength twice on this board with decent sized bets. Your pair of 5s are too weak to reraise with, so I think you should cut your losses now and bow out. I think you should have lead out on the turn after you called the flop bet. If you thought he was just taking a stab at it, a bet on the turn will make him fold. The 9 is also a good card to bluff on because it could have made you a straight since you got to see the flop for free and could have easily called the flop bet with 86.
  6. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jul 11th, 2007 (7/11/2007 2:19pm) in reply to fdel15

    i just realized i wasnt double gutted on the turn. thats the reason i shove. the shove is awful since i have zero fold equity, and ur right fdel. hes shown strength on the flop and turn, so its time to give up, but at the time i thought i had more outs than i did. hence the donk move, which led to an 11th place finish and a sick feeling in my stomach. i had a very nice stack with 3 tables left, and i let this one get away. this is buy no means the most interesting hand of the tourney. its just the one that busted me, so i posted it real quick to rat on myself about how bad i play at times. gg me.

    pokerstars Game #10883326050: Tournament #55166126, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/07/11 - 11:53:05 (ET)
    Table '55166126 12' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: erik1331 (30310 in chips)
    Seat 2: aksuited13 (29477 in chips)
    Seat 3: odiggitydog (17342 in chips)
    Seat 5: Caligula G (3806 in chips)
    Seat 6: Denzil888 (8720 in chips)
    Seat 8: Taranis05 (28469 in chips)
    erik1331: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts the ante 50
    odiggitydog: posts the ante 50
    Caligula G: posts the ante 50
    Denzil888: posts the ante 50
    Taranis05: posts the ante 50
    aksuited13: posts small blind 400
    odiggitydog: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to odiggitydog [4h 5c]
    Caligula G: folds
    Denzil888: folds
    Taranis05: calls 800
    erik1331: calls 800
    aksuited13: folds
    odiggitydog: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5s 7s 3c]
    odiggitydog: checks
    Taranis05: checks
    erik1331: bets 2400
    odiggitydog: calls 2400
    Taranis05: folds
    *** TURN *** [5s 7s 3c] [9c]
    odiggitydog: checks
    erik1331: bets 4500
    odiggitydog: raises 9592 to 14092 and is all-in
    erik1331: calls 9592
    *** RIVER *** [5s 7s 3c 9c] [6h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    odiggitydog: shows [4h 5c] (a straight, Three to Seven)
    erik1331: shows [8c 8d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
    erik1331 collected 36084 from pot
    erik1331 said, "gg"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 36084 | Rake 0
    Board [5s 7s 3c 9c 6h]
    Seat 1: erik1331 (button) showed [8c 8d] and won (36084) with a straight, Five to Nine
    Seat 2: aksuited13 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: odiggitydog (big blind) showed [4h 5c] and lost with a straight, Three to Seven
    Seat 5: Caligula G folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Denzil888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Taranis05 folded on the Flop

    i thought i won this pot, until the chips were shipped his way. :)
     
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