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  1. namniewd namniewd is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 10:39am)

    Ok, throw any tournament with a competent field out the window... I've been playing micros for about 6 months now, and i'm in a streak now where i just can't make a FT...

    I recently looked over some of my HH's from these... and it seems like in 90% of these tourneys, I bust because i try to make an advanced play against a player who is clueless...

    Stop and go's are routinely called by 88 on a A43 flop... 5 limpers at 200/400 so i shove with 8d9d only do be called by TQ and i'm out...

    I can sit there and play 0 hands in an hour... but then a 5x raise UTG with aces will get 6 calls...

    Should i throw away all of the strategy that i've picked up from this forum and HoH books, and just play basic poker, or is there away to use skill to your advantage in these donkfests?
  2. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 10:40am) in reply to namniewd

    Advanced plays work against advanced people.
    Simple plays work against simple people.
    If the enemy is unknown, assume simple.
  3. moobs96 moobs96 is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 10:44am) in reply to Jennifear

    aannnnddddd that right there ends this thread.
  4. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 10:50am) in reply to namniewd

    Good Plays work against good players. So many think A rag is a solid hand.

    If you really think you are more skillfull than the other players. The idea is to be more patient i would think. The more hands you see the better decisions you will make in the long run over them and you will win.. Well in theory it sounds good right?
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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:23am) in reply to AFink93

    One of the biggest factors at EVERY level is determining the level of play that your opponents are at. You must quit playing your cards and play your opponent.

    Example:
    Middle to Late stage of tourney where stealing blinds is the main thing happening.
    UTG raises 3x BB and everyone folds---To get respect, he shows AJo. Ding ding ding- I can now classify this guy in my head now as: probably knows more than the basics, but over-values mediocre hands and doesn't understand position, also seems scared of the re-raise.

    beauright
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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:28am) in reply to namniewd

    Had the sickest run of bad cards once, in a $4 sng...hadn't played a hand in a while, so I had a solid, tight image to anyone with eyes. I finally pick up 99 with about 6-8 BBs. The usual suspects are already in the pot (limpers in early position), so I push, figuring i'll collect what's in there with no contest (I was very, very confident this would happen, because the limpers were weak, and not making plays). Once I push, the UTG limper ISOLATES with ACE FIVE OFFSUIT with two to act behind him.... LOL...........My comment was "well played?" Flop hit x55...gg me. Oh well, not the point. The point is, you'll see all kinds of stupid shit, especially if you keep reading these forums, reading poker books, and the like. Reading these mediums gets you accustomed to accepting a certain style as "acceptable" and you'll be susceptible to getting angry at other's play.

    So, in light of this realization I had, I decided to take everything I read with a grain of salt, decided to read less, and decided to not try and emulate other's play. Basically, I realized that I'm smart enough that most of the stuff I've read I would have came up with myself with experience and simple self-reflecting. I also realized I was trying to "gain an edge" by reading and watching alot, which, while teaching me quite a bit, was actually stifling my improvement because I wasn't playing as often. \

    So, I say concentrate on developing a style that is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY unique to your own. Play your own game, and pay LESS (but don't completely ignore) attention to people who want to advise you on the "correct" way to play, and more attention on what YOU think is right...and most good players will come to similar conclusions.........................don't bother trying to "accelerate your learning" faster than you are able to, because your knowledge of the game will be far ahead of your actual implementation of that knowledge in in-game situations.
  7. ShortStack3 ShortStack3 is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:33am) in reply to AFink93

    PLAY CASH GAMES
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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:33am) in reply to namniewd

    Making advanced plays against clueless opponents isn't "playing too good." It's actually "playing bad." Good players adjust to the people at their table. It's a lot easier when you don't have to outthink your opponents, and can just wait for a clear advantage and have an always-willing opponent to get in as a massive underdog.

    The skill you should be using to your advantage in those tournaments is that of knowing when your hand is best most of the time, and getting as many chips as possible in the pot at that time.
     
  9. namniewd namniewd is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:34am) in reply to estay

    you guys are g00t... ty all so far
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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:41am) in reply to namniewd

    I think the mistake most people make is thinking "these opponents are weak, I need to get into these hands and take their chips."

    In actuality, the weaker your opponents, the more carefully you need to choose your opportunities to eliminate them. It takes a little patience, but it's generally much easier than trying to "outplay" them.

    I think people don't realize weak players are such dangerous opponents, mainly because our basic tools for strategy and odds calculations tend to break down in the face of foolishness.

    ...I like to think of it like driving down the highway when everyone else on the road is drunk. Sure, you're the best driver out there, but that doesn't mean you're going to come out of the experience alive.
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    Jun 29th, 2006 (6/29/2006 11:44am) in reply to Games Geek

    Lolz... thanks Adam... makes alot of sense... so i guess i am the table donkey in these things
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