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Please Help With Advice...Flush Draw..Jennifear

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  1. GoodWoodRR GoodWoodRR is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 1:47am)

    I've recently noticed a spot that seems to happen a lot lately. I raise in position, flop anything from pair to set and bet the pot.

    There's a flush draw on board and the villain shoves. Should I be checking the flop with the draw out there or should i just cross my fingers and hope my hand holds up?
    Here is an example. Sometimes i win these but wanting to know if it's correct to call the shove. What is the +EV play here?

    Jennifear please help also.

    pokerstars Game #43154475891: Tournament #266332917, $1.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/04/25 0:31:11 CT [2010/04/25 1:31:11 ET]
    Table '266332917 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: CPAlum (9990 in chips)
    Seat 2: fro0sh (5880 in chips)
    Seat 3: ganzolaspoke (11810 in chips)
    Seat 4: yugykcul (2365 in chips)
    Seat 5: GoodWoodRR (3980 in chips)
    Seat 6: lineham 3 (5150 in chips)
    Seat 7: MN Aaron (7805 in chips)
    Seat 8: CRAWFORD52 (6270 in chips)
    Seat 9: PuffinT (11145 in chips)
    CPAlum: posts the ante 15
    fro0sh: posts the ante 15
    ganzolaspoke: posts the ante 15
    yugykcul: posts the ante 15
    GoodWoodRR: posts the ante 15
    lineham 3: posts the ante 15
    MN Aaron: posts the ante 15
    CRAWFORD52: posts the ante 15
    PuffinT: posts the ante 15
    fro0sh: posts small blind 60
    ganzolaspoke: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GoodWoodRR [Kc As]
    yugykcul: folds
    GoodWoodRR: raises 240 to 360
    lineham 3: folds
    MN Aaron: calls 360
    CRAWFORD52: folds
    PuffinT: folds
    CPAlum: folds
    fro0sh: folds
    PuffinT is sitting out
    ganzolaspoke: calls 240
    *** FLOP *** [7s Ks 2h]
    ganzolaspoke: checks
    GoodWoodRR: bets 1320
    MN Aaron: folds
    ganzolaspoke: raises 1920 to 3240
    GoodWoodRR: raises 365 to 3605 and is all-in
    ganzolaspoke: calls 365
    *** TURN *** [7s Ks 2h] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [7s Ks 2h Js] [Qh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ganzolaspoke: shows [6s 3s] (a flush, King high)
    GoodWoodRR: shows [Kc As] (a pair of Kings)
    ganzolaspoke collected 8485 from pot
    ganzolaspoke wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating GoodWoodRR
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8485 | Rake 0
    Board [7s Ks 2h Js Qh]
    Seat 1: CPAlum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: fro0sh (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: ganzolaspoke (big blind) showed [6s 3s] and won (8485) with a flush, King high
    Seat 4: yugykcul folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: GoodWoodRR showed [Kc As] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 6: lineham 3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: MN Aaron folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: CRAWFORD52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: PuffinT folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Thanks in advance for the help.
  2. Phi Phi is offline aka tennisee

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 1:50am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

    You should NEVER fold in these spots!
  3. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 1:51am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

    plz dont be checking the flop if u put someone on the flush draw (unless u want to c/r and u feel confident villian will bet)

    be happy to get ur money in as a favorite
     
  4. AceJax AceJax is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 2:06am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

    Woah, you don't need to bet anything like that much on the flop. I'd only be betting 700-800. While it's obvious villain is a bad player, a good player is only likely to give you action if he has 22 or 77. Where as if you had bet less you could still get calls from inferior hands.
  5. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 4:48am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

    Good raise pre.

    Bet less on the flop. Try 3/5-2/3 pot here. Maybe 800 at most.

    As played, when he shoves you are 65% against a flush draw and an even bigger favorite against his more likely holdings like KJ. Never fold here.
  6. Poker Orifice Poker Orifice is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 9:05am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

    You're betting the flop here both for value & to protect a made hand. You want villain to make a mistake not the other way around (ie. letting villain draw to the flush for free would be a huge mistake). You only check the flop if villain has been very aggressive & you're pretty much assured he's betting out on the flop when checked to (fwiw, in a super micro I would NEVER check this flop).
  7. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 9:52am) in reply to Poker Orifice

    never check this flop and be happy to get it on vs his range
     
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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 11:18am) in reply to GoodWoodRR

     
    Originally Posted by GoodWoodRR View Post

    Should I be checking the flop with the draw out there or should i just cross my fingers and hope my hand holds up?

    how does one acquire chips then?
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    Apr 25th, 2010 (4/25/2010 11:45am) in reply to AceJax

     
    Originally Posted by AceJax View Post

    Woah, you don't need to bet anything like that much on the flop. I'd only be betting 700-800. While it's obvious villain is a bad player, a good player is only likely to give you action if he has 22 or 77. Where as if you had bet less you could still get calls from inferior hands.

    This.
    You bet too much on the flop, apart from that you did good.
    Thats poker,its a crazy game, your opponent played the hand like an idiot and still won the moneys!
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