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Please help, yucky spot with AK

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  1. benjyyy benjyyy is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 11:13am)

    Just moved to this table as we are down to last 90 so I have no reads. I really struggled with this hand, help is much appreciated

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8096804449: $7,500 KO Guarantee (60839642), Table 17 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:06:26 ET - 2008/09/16
    Seat 1: ford 78 (21,430)
    Seat 2: luc l (7,465)
    Seat 3: CoastalPGM (8,100)
    Seat 4: Part1san (10,616)
    Seat 5: seventhree89 (5,580)
    Seat 6: snappingTURTLE (4,795)
    Seat 7: benjyyy32 (20,490)
    Seat 8: --DONKEY1965-- (31,147)
    Seat 9: Busy24 (9,636)
    ford 78 antes 25
    luc l antes 25
    CoastalPGM antes 25
    Part1san antes 25
    seventhree89 antes 25
    snappingTURTLE antes 25
    benjyyy32 antes 25
    --DONKEY1965-- antes 25
    Busy24 antes 25
    ford 78 posts the small blind of 150
    luc l posts the big blind of 300
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to benjyyy32 [Ah Kd]
    CoastalPGM folds
    Part1san folds
    seventhree89 folds
    snappingTURTLE folds
    benjyyy32 raises to 777
    --DONKEY1965-- has 15 seconds left to act
    --DONKEY1965-- raises to 2,111
    Busy24 folds
    ford 78 folds
    luc l has 15 seconds left to act
    luc l folds
    benjyyy32 has 15 seconds left to act
    benjyyy32 calls 1,334 - didnt really wanna get involved with big stack
    *** FLOP *** [6h Th Kh]
    benjyyy32 checks
    --DONKEY1965-- bets 3,000
    benjyyy32 ???
  2. BluffCommited BluffCommited is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 11:16am) in reply to benjyyy

    ship it in. you cant fold. guess u lost to AA huh?
  3. benjyyy benjyyy is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 11:28am) in reply to BluffCommited

    ill post results later. Im not folding for sure, but I have about 18k left. I can flat and have 15k left to see a heart, thinking that if he has KK or AA which his reraise could represent, I can fold to another big bet. If he has QQ he will probably check the turn. The only risk being that I am actually against AK and I would be freerolling but ending up having to lay it down

    If I raise, am I not essentially turning my hand into a bluff?

    How much can I call on the turn to see the river if i flat?
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  4. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 11:43am) in reply to benjyyy

    yeah shoving the flop doesn't really acomplish anything, cause he folds out everything you beat. Def check/call flop for value, and basically don't fold. Could get gross if he fires 3 barrels, but I really don't think you can fold at any point in this hand
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  5. MadTownMell MadTownMell is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 11:58am) in reply to benjyyy

    First of all, how what is this guys image, and have u seen him play many hands. I would say if u have been at his table for while and he has been aggressive, then your first mistake is not re-raiseing pre flop, to get better sense of where you are really at in the hand. This way you get the all the information you need, whether to proceed with the hand, rather than having to make a tough decision later. Like you are faced with on flop, with his bet of 3000. But, if you were just moved to the table or you haven't been paying attention to how he went about getting all his chips. Then you are in a tougher spot. If you think he has been a tight player most of the time, or like you say, you dont want to get involved with the big stack. Then your best option is to fold pre-flop and not get involved in a big pot this early on. Save your chips for better spot when you have more information, and you are much more confident in the hand you are playing. By flat calling the flop and turn, you have created a pot way to big to fold AK at any point after the flop. And you are unsure of where this guy is really at.

    I hope this helps.

    I'd like to see what he actually had but my guess is JJ or 10s.
  6. Donegal Rules Donegal Rules is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 12:39pm) in reply to MadTownMell

    SHIP IT YA NIT, LOVE
  7. repo_man456 repo_man456 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 12:49pm) in reply to BluffCommited

     
    Originally Posted by BluffCommited View Post

    ship it in. you cant fold. guess u lost to AA huh?

    that or TT, but you do have the backdoor flush draw

    What sort of flop were you looking for after you called his re-raise preflop?

    He could easily have JJ/QQ and his 3k flop bet will/should answer that question if his hand is good or not.
     
  8. JRoth15 JRoth15 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 12:54pm) in reply to benjyyy

    why call pre if you are going to nail a flop, c/c, then c/f a turn brick.

    i think flop call is best, but don't fold this hand.
  9. benjyyy benjyyy is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 7:17pm) in reply to JRoth15

    bump for evening audience
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  10. ImaBustYou ImaBustYou is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 8:07pm) in reply to benjyyy

    You have top pair-top kicker and 4 to a nut flush. You are oop, but ur hand at this point is totally underrepped. Only hands your afraid of are AA, KK, 1010! You can play it safe by c/c flop and try to hit ur NF. I would rather c/r this flop. shove turn or check shove...
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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 11:13am) in reply to ImaBustYou

    OK, so say I check-raise to 7800 and he reraises to 12500. Then what? At that stage Im pretty sure Im well behind even though I am drawing to the nut flush. Do I fold? His raise can only represent 10,10, KK or AA.
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