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PLO Cash Game Question: Can I fold?

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  1. jasament jasament is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 2:52pm)

    Just sat down to a deep 1/2 6-handed with antes PLO table with $400, and the very first hand went down like this...

    I had posted blind in cutoff. SB makes it $6, I call.

    My hand: Qs Td 4d 8c

    Flop: Qc 8h 2s

    He bets, I raise, he calls.

    Turn: Qh

    He checks, I bet, he calls.

    River: 9h

    He checks, I bet, he check-raises all in.

    At that point I have to call about $175 into a pot of $625. So I have to be good there 22% of the time or something to call. Should I fold the second nuts to his river check-raise????
  2. Ozzie Ozzie is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 2:57pm) in reply to jasament

    no
  3. Projekt420 Projekt420 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 2:57pm) in reply to jasament

    I don't know much about PLO but it looks like you should probably call.
  4. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 2:59pm) in reply to jasament

    Technically, 3rd nuts, but I think this is a call. (ThJh, Q9 then Q8)
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  5. fordmotor08 fordmotor08 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:01pm) in reply to jasament

    I don't know how you could think your no good here??

    Please.....

    shove it up his ass and smoke a fatty
  6. jasament jasament is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:03pm) in reply to fordmotor08

    lol...of course he had Q9 and i was no good which is why i posted it
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  7. fordmotor08 fordmotor08 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:05pm) in reply to jasament

    LOL - bummer for you then

    revision - take it up the ass and smoke a fatty

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
  8. jasament jasament is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:09pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Technically, 3rd nuts, but I think this is a call. (ThJh, Q9 then Q8)

    Ya I snap called of course and was no good.

    In the case that I KNOW hes a solid player (and that we have no weird history or anything) then do I fold? If not, is it a fold if its a full pot-sized check raise?
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  9. Drewdaddy19 Drewdaddy19 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:21pm) in reply to jasament

    He got lucky and made a good river play. It's hard to check the river with the way he played it... You just got coolered. I don't think you can fold there.
     
  10. knickadam55 knickadam55 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 3:37pm) in reply to fordmotor08

     
    Originally Posted by fordmotor08 View Post

    I don't know how you could think your no good here??

    Please.....

    shove it up his ass and smoke a fatty

    THIS! SHOVE IT UP HIS ASS AND SMOKE A FATTY.. haha yessssss

    But seriously, this is a call but i dont think its always a call like OP said. Given you have info on him being tight/solid hasnt got out of line you make a gross gross fold. Without that knowledge, at this level its a call. But i find it hard to believe a solid player at these stakes is check/raise bluffing without the nuts more then 22% of the time....
     
  11. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 4:32pm) in reply to jasament

    Yik, what adam said. If you go over the hands/combinations of hands villain likely has here that we're beating that he takes this line with... there just aren't as many as you might think - especially if he's a decent player.

    It's one of those spots that nearly everyone first pump calls (including me unfortunately), when it's actually more of a "sigh jdbasfbajsdfbjadsf damnit I can't click fold" spots. KQJ9 (likely with a suit or two) type hands, and the occasional QxJhThXx type hand are just a massive part of his range.

    ul
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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 4:46pm) in reply to tyson219

    i'm calling at this point, but I think the flop raise is a little spewy. There are a lot of gross turns cards that slam his range and now you've created a huge pot with an edge that probably isn't that big.

    as played the rest of the hand is std. as I mentioned I'm definitely stacking off if I played the hand the same as you.

    also, bet sizes on all streets would be helpful here.
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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 4:50pm) in reply to jasament

    looks like his range is JTh and Q9 to me...
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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 4:54pm) in reply to rayspizza

    with no reads im calling for sure... live 1/2 players can be really bad
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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 4:54pm) in reply to mattg1983

     
    Originally Posted by mattg1983 View Post


    looks like his range is JTh and Q9 to me...

     
  16. Mike111202 Mike111202 is offline

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    Dec 4th, 2009 (12/4/2009 6:36pm) in reply to jasament

    I call knowing I could be beat and when he shows Q9, kick my cat.
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