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PLO Question on the Bubble

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  1. EL-Irish EL-Irish is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 7:55pm)

    Not a Bad beat. I know I know, you read that and think here we go a bad beat story.

    Ok, This is on the bubble and I am 4th in chips. My question is, should I be 3 betting my hand here or just calling to control the pot. I have a monster hand and I tend to just 3 bet and lead out any flop here. But in PLO tournment is it better to just keep the pot small?

    pokerstars Game #34974618583: Tournament #209010804, $50+$5 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/11/05 20:43:21 ET
    Table '209010804 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: bates35 (17737 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpadeSkillz (15562 in chips)
    Seat 4: il0v£mYmUmMy (5136 in chips)
    Seat 5: EL-Irish (19940 in chips)
    Seat 6: thegrinder44 (4798 in chips)
    Seat 7: iecavniex (32904 in chips)
    Seat 8: erigel (19888 in chips)
    Seat 9: Don_Pépé (7735 in chips)
    thegrinder44: posts small blind 200
    iecavniex: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to EL-Irish [Ac Qd Ad 9c]
    erigel: folds
    Don_Pépé: folds
    bates35: folds
    SpadeSkillz: folds
    il0v£mYmUmMy: folds
    EL-Irish: raises 800 to 1200
    thegrinder44: folds
    iecavniex: raises 2600 to 3800
    EL-Irish: raises 7800 to 11600
    iecavniex: calls 7800
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 8s Kc]
    iecavniex: bets 21304 and is all-in
    EL-Irish: calls 8340 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (12964) returned to iecavniex
    *** TURN *** [Qh 8s Kc] [Ts]
    *** RIVER *** [Qh 8s Kc Ts] [Td]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    iecavniex: shows [7d Jd 9h Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)
    EL-Irish: shows [Ac Qd Ad 9c] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
    iecavniex collected 40080 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 40080 | Rake 0
    Board [Qh 8s Kc Ts Td]
    Seat 2: bates35 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: SpadeSkillz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: il0v£mYmUmMy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: EL-Irish (button) showed [Ac Qd Ad 9c] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
    Seat 6: thegrinder44 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: iecavniex (big blind) showed [7d Jd 9h Qc] and won (40080) with a straight, Nine to King
    Seat 8: erigel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Don_Pépé folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 7:58pm) in reply to EL-Irish

    What?

    No, you jam your stack in as fast as possible. You've got an absolute monster. And you don't post this if you don't lose the hand, so yes, this as at least partially a bad beat/RO post.
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  3. leftygrove leftygrove is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 7:59pm) in reply to EL-Irish

    You have a fucking monster. With the stack sizes the way they are, you should definitely 4-bet and just accept your edge. If you flat his 3-bet you're going to be in weird spots on the flop.
  4. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 8:23pm) in reply to EL-Irish

    pretty easy fold imo
     
  5. EL-Irish EL-Irish is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 9:04pm) in reply to JokersOnYou

    Your right, if I win I don't post. But I really was curious since the edges in omaha are so small, if I should be thinking about controlling the pot size in this spot. I will continue to Shove and pray thanks!
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  6. litlebullet litlebullet is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 9:34pm) in reply to EL-Irish

     
    Originally Posted by EL-Irish View Post

    Your right, if I win I don't post. But I really was curious since the edges in omaha are so small, if I should be thinking about controlling the pot size in this spot. I will continue to Shove and pray thanks!

    that's an omaha misconception. the edges can be quite large actually if you got them dominated. lets say you were against akqt you'd have been up to 75-25. against something like 789t you'd have been 2-1. the double-suitedness adds 10% value against like all nonsuited hands too.
  7. Mr Galt Mr Galt is offline sister-in-law's a ho

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 9:36pm) in reply to EL-Irish

    I would not get it allin here unless I had him reasonably covered. You are not at all very far ahead with this hand and seeing the flop is the right move.
  8. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 10:02pm) in reply to Mr Galt

     
    Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post

    I would not get it allin here unless I had him reasonably covered. You are not at all very far ahead with this hand and seeing the flop is the right move.

    Very wrong. He has a monster hand and is very far ahead against the 3 bettor's range, as you can see the OP had him crushed here as he is a little better than a 2 to 1 favorite in this spot and would probably be in even better shape if the 3 bettor had KK.
     
  9. EL-Irish EL-Irish is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2009 (11/5/2009 10:14pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    Thank you for the advice. I guess the real problem I have here is that I was unsure what to do in this tournment situation.

    Cash game I am jamming this all day, but just wanted to see what others think about calling vs shoving.

    Thank you.
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