This may have an obvious answer, but I'm fairly new to the game and so I'm not entirely sure yet.

The game is PLO cash. It doesn't matter what stakes for the purpose of this question.

There's a raise preflop of pot-size. I call in the SB with something like JJT4 doublesuited. Negligible call OOP, but I'm confident of playing post flop and getting paid if I hit any draw/set/whatever. Ironic really. Another player calls. 3 to the flop.

Anyway, flop comes out Th9d4h or something and I've got two pair, plus a non-nut flush draw. I like this flop. I check looking to put the check-raise in. Other player checks, and the player c-bets the flop. I make it 3.5x his raise or something, leading to a fold and a call from the original raiser.

This is where my question lies: After the call, I have just over a pot-size bet left. I'm first to act on the Turn and I have to believe the villain is drawing. And so, as is standard, one of the shittiest cards in the deck comes off, a non-heart K. So now I have a dilemma. I'm almost certain he's made his hand and I have two pair and a flush draw, giving me a maximum of 13 outs to the River. If I check and he bets the pot, then I'm not getting the odds to call. If I bet, I have to commit myself and I'm a dog to win the hand.

So, is the best move on the Turn to

a) check-shove
b)check-fold
c) bet-call

?

nb: This isn't a question based on the hand itself, it's the dynamics of the hand I'm focusing on. Fold pre is not an option in this scenario.

Cliff notes: When drawing big and sure you're beaten, what is the best move when first to act?

edit: Frankly I've fucked up the hand history. I can't remember what the flop was, but I definitely had two pair and a flush draw on a straightening board.

 

Originally Posted by elusively

I'm a mediocre NLHE fish, but what makes you think 9x completes his hand?

I've edited the OP now guys, sorry for causing confusion.

A poster who deleted his post upon realising I'd fucked it up made a very good observation about me having JJ and the blockers to a straight. When he just called my raise on the flop, I figured him either for a set, or a straight draw and more likely the latter because I'd likely be set all-in by a set and he would've likely bet bigger on the flop.

Mistake #1 - Don't EVER call this hand out of the small blind. What are you hoping to flop? You go on in your post to say you're confident of playing postflop, yet you think you flopped "big" here and you had to make a post because you were confused about what to do?

You did not flop "big" here. You're not a favorite over anything except some retarded lower flush draw, except a preflop raiser that c-bets here and flat calls your raise is never doing it with a flush draw you beat if you hit.

Your cliff notes ask: "When drawing big and sure you're beaten, what is the best move when first to act?" Answer: You're not drawing big, you're beat almost always here, and you very well could be in HORRIBLE shape.

Fold preflop.

I appreciate the input so far. Clearly valuable advice.

Two points to respond to your posts guys:

Firstly, I said that the preflop call was marginal at best and that that wasn't my issue. Secondly - and less importantly - I said that it was ironic that I felt comfortable with my postflop play. Clearly my post of this scenario shows I feel very weak in my postflop play.

However, other than focusing on my preflop, I can only agree with everything that has been posted in response so far.

Much appreciative of all advice. Fold pre to prevent any ridiculous spots postflop (that and I have dick all pre), followed by cautious Turn play.

dude fold preflop

This is a great question when you are fairly new to the game of Pot Limit Omaha. Omaha and Hold�em are extremely different games that need to be differentiated from each other. A great hold�em hand can consist of a good high hand as well as a good draw, and most likely are going to be favored over the oppositions hand. However, this is very different in Pot Limit Omaha. What you have here is a below average high hand with a horrible draw. When you called preflop, the only hand you can feel comfortable playing from the flop on is a J-x-x board, non connecting and rainbow suited (etc. J-6-2), or flopping the made hand (Jacks full). Any other flop (like this one) is going to get you in trouble. Hands such as K-Q-J-J are hands you want to play because not only will you be flopping a set, but you will have a redraw. Connecters like 10 J need to have another connecter adjacent to it to increase the size of your draw, therefore increase your odds of making your hand. The answer � fold preflop, especially out of position.

If you do, however, decide to mix it up and call this out of position, you need to play this accordingly. #1 is having the ability to realize that you did not hit this flop � this is not the flop you were looking for. You were hoping for a jack high board, instead flopped a weak two pair and an almost non existent flush draw, especially in a hand with 3 going to the flop. A non-heart king scares you, but if that is in his range then you have to include all the other outs that will scare you too � K,Q,8,7,6. All those complete the strait. The jack also should be a scare card because then an 8-7/K-Q must also be in his range too � therefore completing his strait and giving you a max of 9 outs for the board to pair. That isn�t good odds. A 9 also counterfeits your hand, and although it may be a scare card to him, with only a pot sized bet before you are all in left, this must be considered a bad card as well. You have 13 outs, not including a heart that may fill up his hand, or the -% of him counterfeiting your boat if he does in fact have an overpair. The equivalent to this hand is people playing hands such as 8899 preflop in Omaha 8 or better, because there is very little chance that they will scoop the entire pot unless the flop comes down perfectly.

My advice, play AA and KK, suited connecters that will give you wraps on the flop and possibly 20+ outs, and only nut flush draws. This will end up being a very costly lesson for you if you continue to play these types of hands. As for this hand, the non heart king, with only one pot sized bet left, is about as good as it gets for you to shove your stack in there. I would be much more worried about and 8 or 7, or even a jack or queen. I would also rule out aces either way � with the heart draw he shoves the flop, non heart draw he folds after your check-raise. A good player will play aces deceptively and playing suited connecters like they are aces, therefore paying off big when the flop hits them. In my opinion, just about every hand that is in his range has you beat, or atleast has the better draw on the flop. With only a pot sized bet left and catching a weak two pair with a weak flush draw, your best bet is to check fold the flop and really get your $$ in when you are a big favorite � let the amateurs play hands such as these and pay you off big when you turn over QJ109 with the queen high flush draw.