Are we always 3 betting this? Calling the shove after original UTG folds?

Full Tilt Poker Game #22491154731: $6,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) (173490917), Table 13 - 400/800 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:52 ET - Wed, July 21, 2010
Seat 1: J-texRN (3,690), is sitting out
Seat 2: Bolikk (40,748)
Seat 4: drunkreindeer (41,022)
Seat 5: julziexox (15,646)
Seat 6: moskito28 (34,289)
Seat 7: hyena74 (35,938)
Seat 8: WB123456789 (13,288)
Seat 9: im_to_good2 (39,640)
drunkreindeer posts the small blind of 400
julziexox posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to im_to_good2 [Jh Qc Kd Ad]
moskito28 raises to 1,600
hyena74 folds
WB123456789 folds
im_to_good2 raises to 4,000
J-texRN folds
Bolikk folds
drunkreindeer folds
julziexox raises to 14,000
moskito28 folds
im_to_good2 raises to 24,000
julziexox calls 1,646, and is all in
im_to_good2 shows [Jh Qc Kd Ad]
julziexox shows [Ah Kh Ks 6d]
Uncalled bet of 8,354 returned to im_to_good2
*** FLOP *** [2h 6c 4c]
*** TURN *** [2h 6c 4c] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [2h 6c 4c Tc] [Ts]
im_to_good2 shows a pair of Tens
julziexox shows two pair, Kings and Tens
julziexox wins the pot (33,292) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Bolikk has been disconnected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 33,292 | Rake 0
Board: [2h 6c 4c Tc Ts]
Seat 1: J-texRN didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Bolikk (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: drunkreindeer (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: julziexox (big blind) showed [Ah Kh Ks 6d] and won (33,292) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 6: moskito28 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: hyena74 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: WB123456789 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: im_to_good2 showed [Jh Qc Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens

I don't understand what your asking....calling what shove?? After he 4bet you allin? You have .25 left of a BB are you questioning that?

The only question I have is how strong of a player is villian? Cause with 9 BB's I can't see you playing this any other way than jamming, but I am probably not folding a pair of kings suited with an ace against anybody unless you know the villians range is super tight to be raising in his position. What has he been showing down? (questions are rhetorical btw) This late in the stage, Kings will hold up much better than early game.

Sorry...I don't agree...I am never flatting anywhere with 9 bb's. So any cbet your folding unless you nail it square? Flop comes 457 2 flush (not yours) and he bets out what are you doing? Flop comes TJx 2 flush not yours and he cbets what are you doing?

I am never flat/fold with 9 bb's personally anywhere.

I dont mind your first 3 bet, it is probablly about 50/50 on calling or 3betting here for me, just depends on day and people at table. But at this point in a tourney, unless people notice you as super aggressive, this 4 bet is almost always kkxx or aaxx...So im folding to the 4 bet and saving some chips for later

 

Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10

I like flatting pre a lot more than 3betting. Not sure where all this talk of 9bbs is coming from??

Agreed

 

Originally Posted by Polar_Bears

I don't understand what your asking....calling what shove?? After he 4bet you allin? You have .25 left of a BB are you questioning that?

The only question I have is how strong of a player is villian? Cause with 9 BB's I can't see you playing this any other way than jamming, but I am probably not folding a pair of kings suited with an ace against anybody unless you know the villians range is super tight to be raising in his position. What has he been showing down? (questions are rhetorical btw) This late in the stage, Kings will hold up much better than early game.

He had 11k behind when i raised to 24k (that was just me putting him all in)

 

Originally Posted by nw25th

It's not terrible...but, this is the kind of hand you really want to be playing, and not more or less flipping with...it would be a lot better if you were double suited as well. It is a very strong hand, yet, you should have a pretty good idea of where you are at once he pretty much shoves all his chips in.
As played, probably just flat pre, and play some Omaha...this way you can either extract some value from your hand, or easily toss it into the muck.
edit: oh yeah, frown and fold to his reraise....
double edit: shoot, I just realized his stack...meh....this spot kinda sucks....

Rarely do i see someone 4 bet all in without aces or kings so I knew I would be behind, but felt like at that point for 10k more I kind of had to call. I suppose this all couldve been taken care of had I simply flatted the UTG raise, and went from there. Although I dont want to be results oriented, and I feel like thats a pretty passive play here right?

 

Originally Posted by Polar_Bears

Wow did I misread this hand, and the scary thing was I put it in the hand viewer and "still" fked it up! I swear to God this isn't the same numbers I was looking at yesterday! OK...so forget what I said. "If" I was to play this hand, I am either flatting or folding. This definitely isn't a reraise hand OOP. The player is in mid so his range can be a little wider at this stage, but you definitely don't have a reraise hand. If I know for sure my villian was a NIT, I might not want to play this hand OOP just cause the 6 does nothing to help, and your primarily walking into this with "just" K's. I might personally dump this hand depending on my player read of villian.

Let's just say you flatted him, and you got the same flop...how are you playing it? He's probably cbetting so what are you doing? That's why I am not thrilled with this hand. You put in 20% of your stack to fold on a cbet unless you nail it square? The best your doing OOP here is check raise jam, but your doing it on a pretty tough flop for your hand. So now I am even wondering if this is a jam or fold preflop only.

Strike 3.

edit: oi