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  1. Full Tilt Poker Game #11903519176: Table Puebla - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 17:25:50 ET - 2009/04/27
    Seat 1: beach baby 10 ($19.59)
    Seat 2: BlackMamba06 ($28.38)
    Seat 3: AmIAlqm ($25.33)
    Seat 4: mwc12534 ($22.95)
    Seat 5: Jorava ($24.53)
    Seat 6: RBud ($31.85)
    Seat 7: JacketsTime ($12.23)
    Seat 8: ZEB_IS_DEAD ($10.28)
    Seat 9: Bricktop0585 ($22.21)
    AmIAlqm posts the small blind of $0.10
    mwc12534 posts the big blind of $0.25
    JacketsTime has been disconnected
    ZEB_IS_DEAD posts a dead small blind of $0.10
    ZEB_IS_DEAD posts $0.25
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bricktop0585 [4s 5d 3s Kd]
    Jorava calls $0.25
    JacketsTime has reconnected
    RBud folds
    JacketsTime folds
    ZEB_IS_DEAD checks
    Bricktop0585 calls $0.25
    beach baby 10 folds
    BlackMamba06 calls $0.25
    AmIAlqm raises to $1.85
    mwc12534 has 15 seconds left to act
    mwc12534 folds
    Jorava calls $1.60
    ZEB_IS_DEAD folds
    Bricktop0585 calls $1.60
    BlackMamba06 folds
    *** FLOP *** [8d Kh 5s]
    AmIAlqm bets $3.20
    Jorava has 15 seconds left to act
    Jorava folds
    Bricktop0585 calls $3.20
    *** TURN *** [8d Kh 5s] [Tc]
    AmIAlqm checks
    Bricktop0585 checks
    *** RIVER *** [8d Kh 5s Tc] [9c]
    AmIAlqm has 15 seconds left to act
    AmIAlqm bets $6.40
    Bricktop0585 calls $6.40
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    AmIAlqm shows [2c 6c Ah 2d] a pair of Twos, for high
    Bricktop0585 shows [4s 5d 3s Kd] two pair, Kings and Fives, for high
    Bricktop0585 wins the pot ($24.32) with two pair, Kings and Fives
    No low hand qualified
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $25.60 | Rake $1.28
    Board: [8d Kh 5s Tc 9c]
    Seat 1: beach baby 10 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: BlackMamba06 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: AmIAlqm (small blind) showed [2c 6c Ah 2d] and lost with HI: a pair of Twos
    Seat 4: mwc12534 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Jorava folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: RBud didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: JacketsTime didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: ZEB_IS_DEAD folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: Bricktop0585 showed [4s 5d 3s Kd] and won ($24.32) with HI: two pair, Kings and Fives

    I called preflop with the intention of cracking AA and winning a big pot... Did I play the rest of this hand well? Is my preflop call justified?
  2. You played the hand like pure crap. You are just lucky that there was someone worse than you at the table.

    I don't understand how you call after putting him on AA. What is going to come on the flop that is going to make you think you are getting the odds to crack AA? You're other cards are low, so to beat AA, you'd need low cards to come, low cards would most likely give him the low side of the pot (assuming he has AA like you guessed).
    I mean if he has AA, then he could have AA2 or AA3, in which case you are most likely calling off another 7 big bets in the hope of splitting a pot with him.

    Pre-flop - your hand is horrible. You shouldn't have put in the quarter and you certainly shouldn't have put in 1.80

    Flop - I guess you are already in for $1.80, you may as well call. Of course, this is a crying call. You can't be happy with this, but then again, you played bad starting cards so this is about as good as you can expect.

    River - Given the action, 99% of the time you are losing here. Again, if you call it's a crying call.

    Keep playing like this and you'll definately blow whatever bankroll you have. Really, this hand is a train wreck.

    Sorry if I'm coming off like a dick. Not trying to offend, but if a friend of mine showed me this, I'd have to give him some tough love.
  3. pretty bad play all around
  4. Agreed!
  5.  
    Originally Posted by Ajint Orange View Post

    You played the hand like pure crap. You are just lucky that there was someone worse than you at the table.

    I don't understand how you call after putting him on AA. What is going to come on the flop that is going to make you think you are getting the odds to crack AA? You're other cards are low, so to beat AA, you'd need low cards to come, low cards would most likely give him the low side of the pot (assuming he has AA like you guessed).
    I mean if he has AA, then he could have AA2 or AA3, in which case you are most likely calling off another 7 big bets in the hope of splitting a pot with him.

    Pre-flop - your hand is horrible. You shouldn't have put in the quarter and you certainly shouldn't have put in 1.80

    Flop - I guess you are already in for $1.80, you may as well call. Of course, this is a crying call. You can't be happy with this, but then again, you played bad starting cards so this is about as good as you can expect.

    River - Given the action, 99% of the time you are losing here. Again, if you call it's a crying call.

    Keep playing like this and you'll definately blow whatever bankroll you have. Really, this hand is a train wreck.

    Sorry if I'm coming off like a dick. Not trying to offend, but if a friend of mine showed me this, I'd have to give him some tough love.

    Yea your not coming off as a dick, I asked for the hand to be judged. The reason I call after putting him on AA, A2, or AA2 is because if the right flop comes out for me I could win a decent pot and if not it's an easy fold.

    On the flop I hit 2 pair and after he leads out w/ a pot sized bet and Jorava folds even though i'm fairly certain I have the best hand I just call since I re-raising isn't getting rid of A2/AA/A234 and I want to keep the pot size small in case the turn is ugly.

    10 hits on the turn and his check let me know that I for sure have the best of it maybe I should of lead out here with some kinda bet but I still feel that A2/AA/ would call anyways and I don't want to play a guessing game for the rest of my stack should the board pair and he leads out w/ a big bet on the river

    The 9 on the river is a great card for me in my opinion because I beat A2/AA/A234 etc. etc.... If he has a set of KK's or 10's i'm positve he would of bet the turn to get rid of any straight draws and his bet of 6.40, roughly half the pot I think, seems like a crying attempt to take down a pot he knows he can't win in a showdown.
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  6. i def fold preflop, as you almost never win both high and low with your hand. but as played, the flop is a call so that street was played pretty well. after villain checks to you on the turn, you can bet profitably i think and control the pot size and get a lot of folds. river is an easy fold you just beat stone bluffs.

    "I called preflop with the intention of cracking AA and winning a big pot... Did I play the rest of this hand well? Is my preflop call justified?"

    i think this is a common mistake omaha players make when playing omaha 8. the preflop raise is not necessarily AA. you're also not likely to be playing the hand heads up (where i feel it's much easier to play hands like your's), so your chances of scooping the pot are not that great unless you make a wheel or something.
  7. Against 4 random low cards you are 50.03 vs 49.097 favorite. You should fold pre-flop.

    Against a top 20% hand you are a 45.21 vs 54.79 dog. You should fold pre-flop.

    Against an AALL hand you are a 37.86 vs 62.14 dog. You should fold pre-flop.

    Against a AALB hand you are a 43.43 vs 56.57 dog. You should fold pre-flop.

    Against 4 broadway cards you are 55.65 vs 44.35 favorite. You should fold pre-flop.

    You (like the other posters have suggested) don't understand O8b in general and are setting yourself up to get stacked in a PLO8b game.

    I think you should post here on P5's to let us know when and where you will be playing PLO8b. We could come to & sit in wth you at the table, if the wait list is not to long...
  8. Kxxx, even in PLO high, isn't a wonderful hand, and is still worse here- you want to play hands with scoop potential in this game, and the most likely outcome is that you'll be getting scooped with your holding, notwithstanding the way this hand actually went.

    If I may offer a word of advice: Bob Ciaffone's book on Omaha is useful if you wish to improve your understanding of the game.
  9. Oh my god...

    Mistakes

    1)Hand is borderline unplayable preflop

    2)Playing marginal hands out of position in omaha is terrible to an extent I can't even begin to describe... vs. a raise no less.

    3)Flop is absolutely no good for your hand*

    4)You can only beat a bluff on the river

    *If you are unsure why playing a naked top/bottom 2 pair on the flop is huge long term -EV in omaha, spend some serious time stupdying flop games.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    Kxxx, even in PLO high, isn't a wonderful hand, and is still worse here

    I have to disagree, I think this hand is playable in PLO high only. I don't think I would play it out of position, but I would see a flop to it for sure.

    Never in 8 or better though, this hand almost never scoops.
  11. yeah preflop I think thats a loose call. Personally if I hit that flop I would have to raise to drive out or at least tax any low draws and push allin on the turn. Thats why I probaly wouldn't get involved preflop because this kind of hand is probaly going to have to be protected if you hit.
  12.  
    Originally Posted by Chickenbrad View Post

     
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    Kxxx, even in PLO high, isn't a wonderful hand, and is still worse here

    I have to disagree, I think this hand is playable in PLO high only. I don't think I would play it out of position, but I would see a flop to it for sure.

    Never in 8 or better though, this hand almost never scoops.

    Just curious why king and three rags would be good-I don't care much for this type of three-card hand, really, and if it were tourney play, it seems a major chip-burner.

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