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pocket 10s semi deep in 50k

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  1. elitewrestla elitewrestla is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 1:27am)

    I normally don't play buy ins over 75$ on the regular but will always satty in whenever possible as I had done today in the 50k. There are about 75 people left with 45 itm when this hand comes up here. This is probably my 3rd time playing the event when i found pocket 10s in the sb with a somewhat awkward stack, I'm going to post the hand as played althu I don't like how it turned out. I would like to know how everyone would play this hand as followed and also how they would play the hand otherwise. The villain here was raising somewhat often but nothing crazy, hadn't seen him 4 bet at this time, while i had a fairly tight solid image.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13143895627: $50,000 Guarantee (96430034), Table 38 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:52:57 ET - 2009/07/01
    Seat 1: Hosea1044 (17,688)
    Seat 2: vsexporvy (55,220)
    Seat 3: calibra33 (10,616)
    Seat 4: elitewrestla (16,905)
    Seat 5: dollarbaby3 (31,640)
    Seat 6: PickingYouApart (14,801)
    Seat 7: MarMoss (5,625)
    Seat 8: Podberezie (16,163)
    Seat 9: eux2 (11,284)
    Hosea1044 antes 50
    vsexporvy antes 50
    calibra33 antes 50
    elitewrestla antes 50
    dollarbaby3 antes 50
    PickingYouApart antes 50
    MarMoss antes 50
    Podberezie antes 50
    eux2 antes 50
    elitewrestla posts the small blind of 250
    dollarbaby3 posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to elitewrestla [Ts Td]
    PickingYouApart has 15 seconds left to act
    PickingYouApart folds
    MarMoss folds
    Podberezie has 15 seconds left to act
    Podberezie has timed out
    Podberezie folds
    Podberezie is sitting out
    eux2 folds
    Podberezie has returned
    Hosea1044 raises to 1,250
    vsexporvy folds
    calibra33 folds
    elitewrestla has 15 seconds left to act
    elitewrestla raises to 3,875
    dollarbaby3 folds
    Hosea1044 raises to 17,638, and is all in
    elitewrestla has 15 seconds left to act
    elitewrestla has requested TIME
    elitewrestla folds
     
  2. cjmace24 cjmace24 is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 1:55am) in reply to elitewrestla

    Looks like they might have AQ+ and put you on a resteal. They were raising a lot, but not crazy so I think I'm folding this to the shove.

    As to how I play it in your position, I think I would just flat and see the flop. While not being "crazy" them seem fairly active and agressive and might play 77+ in the same manner knowing that you don't want to risk your stack this close to the money.

    Certainly an interesting spot.
  3. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 6:15am) in reply to elitewrestla

    A prime example of why I always have difficulty with TT. Here's my thoughts:
    You can be up against any number of hands, some you beat bigtime (i.e. lower pairs), some coinflips (AJ+) and some that have you on the ropes (JJ+) - If you are gonna call this you were probably better off shoving yourself.

    Personally I like flatting TT here, it costs you 1000 to call and you are still in with a decent chance after the flop. You're 8-1 flopping a set in which case you stand a good chance of taking all 17k of his chips, i.e. 17-1 payoff. If flop comes all high cards I'd lead out but shut down if played back, same for low cards but then keeping value betting.

    Of course all of this is depends on your style and how you read your opponent. Have you seen him making this move before? What did he show (if anything)?
  4. elusively elusively is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 12:18pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    You just turned 1010 into a bluff by playing it this way.

    If you're folding to a 4-bet shove, you shouldn't be raising. I don't like flatting w/ 1010 here, we are OOP and most flops will miss us/have overs and all of our options suck on a 9-high flop if the villian is competent.

    Personally, I would probably have just shoved, but as played you have to call.
  5. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 1:44pm) in reply to elitewrestla

    A couple of things - as pointed out mining os OK if a touch marginal so flatting isn't bad & is the safe course. If you are going to raise look at your bet sizing, that was your issue here. If you raise decide how you're going to handle a 4 bet and size your bet accordingly, if you are going to fold or you want to induce a 4 bet go with ~2500 so you have an easy fold. If you are calling go with 6500/7000 to show commited & make an easy call. As played you end up looking at about a 13K+ call into a 21K pot or 1.5:1 - just sick. With your bet size you offered yourself a nasty hard choice and because of that he could be doing this for FE alone.

    my 2 cents
  6. Mike Kowal Mike Kowal is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2009 (7/7/2009 2:22am) in reply to saukendar

    Elite - I like ya , ur probably a solid player, ur friends w/ Lab Rat and those guys, etc ... But you really have to stop posting hands in the hand advice area of P5s or you will probably get worse ...
  7. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2009 (7/7/2009 4:42am) in reply to saukendar

     
    Originally Posted by saukendar View Post

    A couple of things - as pointed out mining os OK if a touch marginal so flatting isn't bad & is the safe course. If you are going to raise look at your bet sizing, that was your issue here. If you raise decide how you're going to handle a 4 bet and size your bet accordingly, if you are going to fold or you want to induce a 4 bet go with ~2500 so you have an easy fold. If you are calling go with 6500/7000 to show commited & make an easy call. As played you end up looking at about a 13K+ call into a 21K pot or 1.5:1 - just sick. With your bet size you offered yourself a nasty hard choice and because of that he could be doing this for FE alone.

    my 2 cents

    - and I beg you to post on any topics I open - I might actually finally learn something
  8. PokerontheRoad PokerontheRoad is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2009 (7/7/2009 4:44am) in reply to cjmace24

    Not a great call, but atleast you can learn from the experience
  9. P33J P33J is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2009 (7/7/2009 4:55am) in reply to Mike Kowal

     
    Originally Posted by Mike Kowal View Post

    Elite - I like ya , ur probably a solid player, ur friends w/ Lab Rat and those guys, etc ... But you really have to stop posting hands in the hand advice area of P5s or you will probably get worse ...

    True stories, there are people who will post good stuff though just sift through. I don't think you can 3 bet fold tens here though.
     
  10. rivverkiller rivverkiller is online now

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 5:35am) in reply to P33J

    Unless villain is a nit then this is a pretty simple 3/bet call. I hate your 3 bet sizing though as it's less likely to induce a light shove. Expect villain to show up with a wide range of pairs/aces/paint/etc.

    3 bet folding here with effective stacks is hella bad.

    If villain is a nit then flatting is probably fine.
     
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