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Im looking to get a personal loan from a bank in order to acquire a bankroll to play poker with.
The situation:
I just graduated college this summer I am looking to make poker my career for the next year or so until I figure out what type of career path I want to pursue.
Ive played 40/80 limit at the commerce the last few summers in order to have money for the school year. I was backed during this time standard 50/50. Ive had good results but spent most of what I made each summer during the school year.
I want to be on my own since I will be playing full time & dont want to ship off half my profits.
I feel like I would need a 20k loan to get started at this limit.
I was wondering if I put up my car as collateral if it would be enough to get this type of loan since I have no credit history. I have a BMW that is several years old probably worth about 6k-7k. What type of loan is realistic / my best option? -
Pretty awful idea. Playing poker full time is difficult enough for most people to do, but to make a conscious decision to play full time knowing you're in the hole completely dependant on winning in the short term is just an awful idea all around. Get a job. This isn't even considering what would happen if you lose. Awful awful idea.
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agree with hostile- it's idiotic to take a loan to play on
Edited By: bonflizubi Sep 14th, 2010 at 11:26 PM
alos if you put your car up it would be used car loan. However, you don't have any income or job so they won't give you the loan anyway.
Just play backed until you have enough to drop the backing.. and/or drop down and build up.
Even if you could get the loan playing backed is so much a better deal. -
work for a year , sell your car = no loan + br
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I also agree this is a redic idea. If you are really serious about playing poker for a living...
1. Get a job.
2. Get another job.
3. Move into a bachelor dump apartment (Cheap Rent)
4. Save, Save, Save...!
5. See where you're at after 6 months of this.
6. Play with your own coin.
=) just mo, GLGLGLGLGL -
seems you didnt learn much while in college. taking a 20k loan out right out of college to risk playing cards....lol back to school you go imo
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If you played 40/80 live at the Commerce and had "good results",
why would you want to even consider taking out a loan to gamble with?
Sounds like you want to jump from step "A" to step "E", while risking
$20K you shouldn't be gambling with.
You might be a winning player and you might be able to repay that 20K
loan off quickly but why have that responsibility hanging over your head
day after day?
Why not drop down a few levels at the Commerce and see if you can build
a roll that way. Then if that doesn't work you can search for other options,
at least you wont be 20K in debt.
Let your results speak for themselves. If you're a long term winning player,
backing offers will come to you imo. -
So you just graduated college and you aren't intelligent enough to deem this an awful idea? Besides the fact of this being ridiculous, there is a 0% chance a bank is going to give you a 20k personal loan when you have no income (or provable income).
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^^^^ I was a loan officer for a while after college. There is 0% chance you get a loan with no job or credit history... Not to mention how bad of an idea this really is
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The reasoning behind taking the loan over the backing is just the length of time it would take to acquire enough $ to get out on my own.
over the past few summers my returns are just under 1bb/hr (76$). If I look at it from a 1 year standpoint there is a significant difference. If I play 30hrs/wk thats roughly 9k/month say I play 11/12 months of the year taking a week off here and there thats about 100k for the year.
With rent + util +food + gas + misc exp I think 3k a month 35k/yr is probably what it will cost me to "exist" thus I have the following two scenarios.
Play backed. 50/50 split make 50k. spend 35k living. 15k banked for the year. will take me approx 16mo to reach 20k+ to get on my own.
If i can get a 20k loan at say a fairly high APR of 25% id owe 25k. so 100k - 25k - 35k = 40k banked for the year.
I dont believe there is a risk of "going" broke as this gives me 250bb at 40/80 and if i did downswing 100bb off the bat to 12k id just play 20/40 for a bit with 300bb at that level till i got it back.
These numbers are assuming I don't improve at all over the year and stay at the same level I am currently at. I also could of course put it more than 30hrs/wk if I needed to to earn the money faster but I'm just trying to lay out some def achievable round #s to use for my expectations.
I'm still looking for answers to any1 who knows about collateral loans as this is the main reason i posted. I understand a lot of people not liking the risk factor, but I am very aware of variance and confident my own ability.
Perhaps one route I could take is reworking the split for the backing. While there is risk in backing anyone for a couple of months at a time I think the year time frame + the fact that its cash games reduces the risk a lot. If I could get 75%/25% then it would be the same as a loan. I dont really know people that are backed in cash as most of the people I know that are backed are tourny players. Can anyone speak as to any situations/standards for adjusting the stake over a proven track record? -
There are many private loan title companies that will loan you cash for the title to your car. Im sure there are several in your area. But you can get no more than the car is worth and some percentage less. But that certainly is a possililty if you want to go that route.
Edited By: WEC Sep 15th, 2010 at 06:45 AM -
this idea is horrible, how in he world did u graduate 6th grade?(let alone college) its ideas like this that make me happy i wasnt born with down syndrome
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you're gonna pay like 25% interest, this is a horrible idea. get a job.
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Ya wtf. All you people trying to dissuade a 20 something college grad from getting a $20k loan to use as a poker bankroll....buncha fucking haters.
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have you played 40/80 limit online or just live?
Just curious , I also suggest backing but think it would be difficult to get if you only played live. GL -
Yeah i thought about this idea too. I think it makes sense if you are a winning player. Isn't that what poker is all about? Poker is like starting a business. The cash (bankroll) is the assets of the business. The assets are put to work to make income. Many businesses get loans to get started. However, you know it will be hard to get a business loan for poker. But if you can get 5000 loan for your car, and couple credit cards, dad, it could be a good deal. I would not look to pay that high of interest. I think you can get a better deal than 25%.
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The reality, is that youve no chance of a $20k bank loan, so you can forget that.
You may get a loan of $4k off some shady loan company against your car, but you will pay a high rate of interest.
Maybe sell the car!
Or as most of the lads on here have said get backed, the question is can you make enough?
Sorry to be negative, but you have to be realistic.
GL. -
guys guys guys stop the madness... does anyone else notice this is sfobv level? 25 advice responses though not bad
level = nice try
not a level = please call the hotline... soon -
i started my poker 'carreer' by blowing 10K on online blackjack on my credit cards. then i was too depressed to go to work, no call no show for 4 days and im fired on the 5th.
Edited By: FouTight Sep 15th, 2010 at 02:30 PM
Then i go home, deposit another 500$ from cc and grinded 4 tables of .5-1$nl online and moved up to 4tables of 1-2$ when i had 800$. I left 1.5k in my roll and withdraw 1k at a time till i paid my dept. 6months later i was in the black and eurotripping and 3years later still playing poker and loving it :)
all not backd
good luck -
i dont mean to be "that guy" but is this whole thread a level?
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