I think this is the worst idea ever, no offense i think its just the worst idea ever....

I could have sworn bluffing is an essential element of the game of poker.

maybe if one random community card for holdem games was hidden until the final bets then exposed but not being able to see every card. would be interesting to see a big bet and call and see the turn card come and it is the back of the card hidden until after the river but i still don't like the idea much.

indian poker or whatever would be cool but could only work when playing HU online otherwise somebody could cheat.

 

Originally Posted by threeven

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

This variation of poker would remove a lot of the luck factor and increase the skill factor dramatically.

Total opposite. Would become a game of who gets dealt the best cards. 100% luck

Have you ever played against a player who won't lay down his draw or overcards, no matter what the price because he doesn't understand pot odds? In this area skill would dominate. Also starting hands. Imagine raising in late position with a pocket pair to be called by AKs every time. You will know when you're beat and when you have the best hand. Long term your pocket pair will have the edge. You will probably even be chased down to the river by a fish who wants to spike an ace or a king.
Seriously give this some deep thought and imagine yourself at a table full of recreational players. Skill would completely crush unskilled players.

This is a great idea!! While you're at it, why don't you ask a casino to tell you the number that the roulette wheel will land on BEFORE you bet. I bet they would.

I would love to play blackjack with the other card exposed though.

People play draws because they want to take someone's whole stack when they hit. This will never happen with hole cards exposed, obviously. If the draw hits, you fold to a minbet because you and everybody else knows at all times who has the best hand.

Furthermore, hands would rarely get to this point because everyone knows who has, so everyone would fold there AQ to QQ and fould fold their A8s to AK. A person's skill at far as potodds and whatnot would rarely be utilized because hands would rarely get to that far.

Will there be an occasional really horrible player at low levels who might literally give you their money even though they know they have the worst hand? Yea, but not enough to make it worth playing the game. And certainly not at levels high enough to make any decent money.

I don't really think that bad players (or most people, in general) would find this game appealing, either.

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

 

Originally Posted by threeven

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

This variation of poker would remove a lot of the luck factor and increase the skill factor dramatically.

Total opposite. Would become a game of who gets dealt the best cards. 100% luck

Have you ever played against a player who won't lay down his draw or overcards, no matter what the price because he doesn't understand pot odds? In this area skill would dominate. Also starting hands. Imagine raising in late position with a pocket pair to be called by AKs every time. You will know when you're beat and when you have the best hand. Long term your pocket pair will have the edge. You will probably even be chased down to the river by a fish who wants to spike an ace or a king.

Seriously give this some deep thought and imagine yourself at a table full of recreational players. Skill would completely crush unskilled players.

Of course there is some true dead money. But it would instadry up in that game and then it would be all luck

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

What makes poker so great is that it's a game of incomplete information. Given the rules set forth in the OP, it would take anyone with half a brain about 2 minutes to master the game at it's hardest level. Therefore among the 80%+ of people that could play it perfectly, it would actually be a game completely dependent on luck. That's not to say that some variation couldn't be made to the game to make it better. New variations come out often, and we probably haven't seen the last. Keep brainstorming!

I can't believe you'd give him a real response.

Either OP is giving us the worst attempt of humor ever or isn't the brightest color in the rainbow.

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

Well this is about the response I expected. I'm not suggesting that we replace the current games with this either. I certainly enjoy the game as it is as I'm sure most decent to good players do.
This post is intended to spark a conversation, so thank you Jennifear for the "real" response.

I firmly believe that we cannot know the results of this experiment without first putting it to the test. Have you ever tried playing the game this way? At home you do have the option to, so why not have that option online as well?

Admittedly the results may be dismal, but they may not. How can we know if we never try? That's why it would be an experiment. If it doesn't work, then shut it down.

In my opinion this would probably be a very attractive option to new players wanting to learn the game, and that is why I suggested only doing it at low stakes.

Try not to be so closed minded people.

i really doubt anyone would learn anything from this 'game'

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

Well this is about the response I expected. I'm not suggesting that we replace the current games with this either. I certainly enjoy the game as it is as I'm sure most decent to good players do.
This post is intended to spark a conversation, so thank you Jennifear for the "real" response.

I firmly believe that we cannot know the results of this experiment without first putting it to the test. Have you ever tried playing the game this way? At home you do have the option to, so why not have that option online as well?

Admittedly the results may be dismal, but they may not. How can we know if we never try? That's why it would be an experiment. If it doesn't work, then shut it down.

In my opinion this would probably be a very attractive option to new players wanting to learn the game, and that is why I suggested only doing it at low stakes.

Try not to be so closed minded people.

okay okay... I'll humor you even though I HAVE to be getting leveled... I mean, ffs this isn't real.

You have KQ. You see someone has AK. you fold. You have AQ and raise and K9 calls. The flop is K high and you fold. You have 33 and see someone else has 44. you fold. Man, I'm learning a ton here!

I have T9 and decide to defend after someone's raise with QJ (awful considering you should never be in any hand unless you're ahead because you can see every fucking card). The flop is J8x. I can't semi-bluff because like, fuck dude! He can see my cards. So I fold. Man, I'm ready to tackle the 1k Tuesday on pokerstars now!

Sick level though dude.

EDIT: If you were actually serious about this post then I will sincerely apologize for the condescending tone of the above message... but you can't be serious so this edit was worthless.

This is the best bad beat post I have seen yet.

this thread cant be real

This idea isn't completely terrible imo. Make it a pot limit game, with no blinds, just antes, and I think the decisicions become a little more complicated. OBV there would be no river betting, to compensate, let's add a super river card, whcih is dealt after the normal river, but for which there is no round of betting.

You are onto something.

EDIT: could only really be done live, since online, because we have ALL the info, software could be developed pretty quickly which could play PERFECTLY.
EDIT: make it a limit game and the decisions get even more complicated right? Say there was a $1 ante, no blinds, and the limit was $1/$2 and you are 6 handed.

Again, I think you are onto something.

 

Originally Posted by Nate Avenson

This idea isn't completely terrible imo. Make it a pot limit game, with no blinds, just antes, and I think the decisicions become a little more complicated. OBV there would be no river betting, to compensate, let's add a super river card, whcih is dealt after the normal river, but for which there is no round of betting.

You are onto something.

EDIT: could only really be done live, since online, because we have ALL the info, software could be developed pretty quickly which could play PERFECTLY.
EDIT: make it a limit game and the decisions get even more complicated right? Say there was a $1 ante, no blinds, and the limit was $1/$2 and you are 6 handed.

Again, I think you are onto something.

Don't the sites detect bots and ban accounts? This is something I really have no idea about, but I'm sure a solution could be made.
I like the refinements you are suggesting. Maybe spread limit would be better so as to manipulate pot odds.

 

Originally Posted by Limo Wreck

 

Originally Posted by Nate Avenson

This idea isn't completely terrible imo. Make it a pot limit game, with no blinds, just antes, and I think the decisicions become a little more complicated. OBV there would be no river betting, to compensate, let's add a super river card, whcih is dealt after the normal river, but for which there is no round of betting.

You are onto something.

EDIT: could only really be done live, since online, because we have ALL the info, software could be developed pretty quickly which could play PERFECTLY.
EDIT: make it a limit game and the decisions get even more complicated right? Say there was a $1 ante, no blinds, and the limit was $1/$2 and you are 6 handed.

Again, I think you are onto something.

Don't the sites detect bots and ban accounts? This is something I really have no idea about, but I'm sure a solution could be made.
I like the refinements you are suggesting. Maybe spread limit would be better so as to manipulate pot odds.

1) Bots are too big of an issue to make it happen online imo

2) anything but NL would work, with no limit it is too easy to not give someone odds (just go AI obv). with Pot limit, the worst you can give is ~2:1, given that two unders are always in the 32-38% range against overs, this would make things quite interesting. Using antes instead of blinds would also help keep players in the action.

Spread this game in a casino with $1 antes, no blinds, and make it pot limit and I predict hours of crazy mad fun.