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Is poker predominantly a game of luck or a game of skill?

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  1. bravecow bravecow is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 3:24pm)

    <span><span>Is poker predominantly a game of luck or a game of skill?

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  2. rochustler rochustler is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 6:00pm) in reply to bravecow

    luck obv
     
  3. creams creams is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 6:59pm) in reply to bravecow

    luck always prevails
  4. GetRich GetRich is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 7:15pm) in reply to creams

    cash game = skill

    tourney/mtt = luck + skill
  5. TheJacob TheJacob is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 7:16pm) in reply to creams

    If you take a small enough sample size everything is luck.
    Golf, Basketball,everything....

    This is why the morons who think it is luck only look at single hands.

    I think the PGA tour should adopt a system where they only hit the ball once.
    First to get a hole in one wins.
  6. Cuthroat187 Cuthroat187 is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 7:22pm) in reply to TheJacob

    its a game of bots
  7. ShortStack3 ShortStack3 is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:09pm) in reply to TheJacob

    "If you take a small enough sample size everything is luck.
    Golf, Basketball,everything...."
    -TheJacob

    This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. So basically your saying if I got a group of 5 random guys together we could beat the 5 best players from the NBA in a game of hoops if we played them over a small sample size...say about 10-20 games. LOL, the random guys would be LUCKY to score a single basket.
    Hell if PGA is such a joke, I should join the tour. Can't be that hard to win the masters if you play it a few times, am I right??

    There's a reason poker is considered GAMBLING. Some random joe could play whoever you consider the best player in the world and there's no guarentee that the better player will win EVERY time. In basketball and golf, the outcome of the game isn't determined by the turn of a card.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:13pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    In a game to five with make it take it any random joe could beat Kobe.
  9. ShortStack3 ShortStack3 is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:15pm) in reply to Niceguy

    What if it was a game to 21?
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:16pm) in reply to bravecow

    Cash game = luck
    Tournments= More luck
    SNGs = Stupid
    605 11
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:16pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    Yea, shortstack is exactly right.

    I think that 2 teams at the top of their game in basketball can be determined by luck. A lucky bounce off a rebound can determine a game. However, there is a WORLD of difference between the luck in poker and the luck in a real sport.

    An infant clicking all in every hand will probably beat phil ivey a decent amount of times heads up, and there is nothing phil can do to counter it. He can get his money in with the best hand, and win MORE times overall, but he will fall victim to luck a pretty significant amount of time.
  12. Niceguy Niceguy is offline I will find you.

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:21pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    no chance in hell obv.
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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:22pm) in reply to timex

    Well I watched the World Poker Tour once and a hand that was only 5% to win won....
    obv.
     
  14. notlucky notlucky is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:39pm) in reply to bravecow

    If it wasn't luck, the world chess tournament would have 8000 players.
  15. 1eyed_Ace 1eyed_Ace is offline

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    May 9th, 2007 (5/9/2007 9:49pm) in reply to notlucky

    Short term e.g. any given day luck>skill

    Long term e.g. 6+ months luck<skill
  16. bravecow bravecow is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 12:54pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    In the text of poker, most know a few hands or sessions are luck.
    Over your life, skill
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 12:58pm) in reply to 1eyed_Ace

    mtt's on stars are 100% luck. never got through one without a suckout and the only one i have ft'd my 10s lost to a9. i agree with everyone else though that cash games are skill in the long term.
  18. Zero_G Zero_G is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 1:07pm) in reply to bravecow

    A game is a battle of decisions. Some games leave all the decisions to the player (chess) and some games leave all the decisions to chance (craps). Chess is all skill, where craps is all luck. Poker falls in the middle, however it is unique because the player can make the decision as to whether or not he wants chance to make the decision.

    I like what Lederer said in the article at PPA...

    So if no one shows his cards, Mr. Lederer says, "can you legally argue that the outcome was determined by luck?"
  19. stephen07 stephen07 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 1:16pm) in reply to Zero_G

    Must be luck and im the unluckiest bastard on the planet......
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