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Not sure where this string goes if anywhere but it's a topic that I have to think hits home with everyone even if our ages range ~18-70. Never see much about it in forums but I think its still an interesting topic nonetheless. I've discussed with some poker friends and there's always varying opinions on the importance of a spouse/gf/bf interest/support/participation in our poker lives... Allow me 1 paragraph of personal history that will shed some light on why I want to talk about this...
As I wrote about in another OP a few days ago, I've been approaching poker very apathetically online for the past two months..I had one week of solid play live at the WSOP Harrahs (with limited results to show for it) but other than that, November and December have been filled with just poor play, seriously sub-standard from my expectation. My tournament sessions have been filled with gross VPIP 50% stats and just disgusting plays is bad spots where there are some decent prize pools on the line..Basically, in short, I just didnt give @#@@ what happened. I wasnt thinking at the table and just didnt immerce myself into tourney situations as they came up.. I swore to myself that I'd get out of this funk to start the new year and I believe I have as some results from the last few days may suggest...I believe the root of the poor play came from being consumed with a major life change I am going thru..divorce. I'd estimate that 25% of the divorce could be attributed to different views on poker, not huge but definitely a piece. This process has been ongoing for nearly a year but it got to me the last few months..and as such, concentration and focus was missing from my game. This was a strange revelation for me considering that it really did not impact my play all year..
So it got me to thinking..in the future, how important is it that future gf's/ wife etc embrace poker..Should it matter? If its an important part of our lives, in some cases a career, is it essential that a high level of acceptance exists? Can you have a long term rel. with someone not 'into' poker?
Obviously this is a career (pt, ft, hobby) that is still not accepted by the mass population but I'd be interested in hearing from folks that have thoughts on this and how theyve dealt with friends, gf's etc not in their respective poker circle that arent supportive..
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I went on a 35-40bi 6 week downer when I was going through the grossnasty breakup with my gf of almost 3 years.
lifetilt sucks. -
yup im there too my friend
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i had the first P5er wedding this weekend. :) OT owns. this is really a dating site and they all tricked you into thinking it was about poker lolz
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I play all the time (live and online) when I'm not working, and my wife doesn't give me any support even I when I make 4 and 5 figure cashes (and I even buy her things with it). It would definitely be nice to get a little support once in a while. They don't have to like poker or play, just undertand it's something we enjoy. It's just something I just have to deal with I guess.
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If poker is a big part of your life, your significant other will have to be supportive for a relationship to work. That said, it is still a two way street. If your spouse, gf, etc makes an effort to support your poker career, you should be putting forth a little extra effort to support your relationship. Spend more time with them, buy them gifts, surprise them, etc. The reason I say this is because I don't feel I did this in my recent relationship. I let my poker playing consume most of my time and didn't set aside nearly enough time for my long time girlfriend. Its one of the few regrets I've ever had in my poker career, and I would gladly trade some of my most profitable nights to go to dinner and catch a movie with her instead.
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I'm fortunate that I don't yet play poker for a living so I can only imagine the difficulty for everyone that does play for a living. But my wife is supportive of my playing and will occasionally play herself (I fund her account). Having said that, she does expect me to pry myself away from the computer to spend time with her (which is totally understandable).
It is a delicate balance, but you have to have a significant other that is willing to balance with you. So to answer your question, yes, I believe it is important to have a significant other that accepts poker for a relationship like this to work successfully. -
In my opinion if you do something in your life as a hobby or a careeryou should be able to enjoy doing it and never feel guilty when you doit. But with poker thats not always easy. I think the biggest strainthat poker puts on relationships is how much free time you leave foryour partner. If you have a job and also play poker semi-seriously as ahobby it can take up a lot of your time and if your partner wants moreattention then your willing to give its gonna be hard to convince themthat they are the most important thing in your life. If you can giveyour partner the attention they want then you can have a clear headwhen you play, if your gf is on your mind your results will alsoreflect your lack of focus, as you guys have already said.
Heres my quick story: When I first started playing I was prettyaddicted. I would play for 12-16h a day and neglected a lot ofrelationships in my life. After a couple months of this me and my gfbroke up and i really didnt care cause that left me more time for pokerthose nights that i knew i HAD to do something or she'd be reallypissed. This was about 3 years ago and looking back i see how stupid iwas and i was really addicted to poker. These days I still playlots of poker but I no longer have that addicted feeling in me, I dontfeel the NEED to play i play because i WANT to play. You might notunderstand this unless you have an addictive personality and have hadand dropped a few addictions and can still enjoy them on occasionwithout overindulging. I finally found a good balance in my life withpoker, work, excercise, my relationships with the opposite sex, friendsand family. Took me 3 years but with a clear mind I play better poker,I can focus much easier and bad beats are never that bad cause I haveso many other things in life to feel good about.
I guess what I learned from everything I have been through is thatpoker can really take over your life if you let it and everyone isdifferent. If you find someone who plays and is supportive you canspend more hours playing because of that support. If your partner doesnot like poker and considers it 'gambling' or has other negative viewson poker, perhaps because of an experience in a previous relationship,then I think you really gotta cut your poker hours down a lot or therelationship will get too hard to work through in the end.
Last note, if you play as a pro online and can make an income playing6-8h/day 5 days a week and show a consistent profit then it would mucheasier to make a relationship work. You can play the same hrs yourpartner works which leaves you lots of time any day to spend timetogether. That's just not possible if you have a full time job and wantto play full time. -
i have a pretty serious gf and while she loves me and supports me, she would probably rather me have a regualr job than play poker
i mean, every so often she will ask me if i ever plan to have a real job, and everytime i reply w never, unless i want one
and her mom told her that if it were her, she wouldnt marry me until I had a real job -
my gf > poker.
She doesn't mind my playing so long as I give her plenty of attention as well. She's pretty supportive, & even bought me a pokerXfactor subscription for Christmas. Ya gotta have proper priorities & make sure your S.O. knows what they are. If your wife/gf < poker, maybe ya'll have bigger problems than a card game. -
When I first met my GF two and a half years ago I was just on the verge of quitting my job as a waiter and diving head first into poker professionally. We were just starting out dating and for some odd reason she really liked me alot and was very supportive of my decision.
I have now lived with her for a year and a half and while we split rent I pay for all of our groceries, cable, internet, meals, dates, trips, gas, etc. She had never been on a cool trip before meeting me and has since been to New York, Vegas, and China all as a result of poker.
In summary we have a lot of nice things we would never be able to afford on a waiter wage and sometimes I feel that she takes them forgranted and forgets that Im not just playing a game instead of spending time with her but I am working. Along with that since I play online at home I can do things like take care of the dog and still socialize with her while I play.
I do feel that this is an issue and in the upcoming year I am going to try to resolve it on my end by making a stricter schedule for myself and making her aware of it. So that I have days off to spend time with her alone. We also implemented a "date night" which has helped alot in our relationship.
I can honestly say I care more about my girlfriend then poker and will try to work harder this year to make more time from her where the computer is off. -
im not getting a real job, and she knows that, and ive told her to find a new boyfriend if she doesnt like it
do what makes u happy -
Since, most of the people who write on these blogs seem to be no older than 22, I sometimes feel old at 36. but this is my feeling of poker and relationship. I do not think you need to find someone who understands for feelings or love for poker, you just find someone who will understand that you have a passion and you need time for that. The easier way to figure this out is to start with you. You first need to decide how often you want to play poker, if you want to play 12 to 14 hours a day then you need to find someone who will accept that, if you only play a couple of hours a day, you need to find someone who will fit that. If you end up dating someone who wants your consistent attention it is not going to work. Remember, as in poker, there is always a price to pay. Not too many people can have their cake and eat it too. I do love to play poker and sometimes it takes up more time in my life than it should. But, I understand it is more important to have a good relationship with my wife and children then increasing my sng roi. I do not want to pay the price of divorce, losy marriage and no friends to become a better poker player. It is not worth it too me. But if your life long goal is too become a pro player you are going to have to make some sacrafices.
My wife understands that I need time for my own interests whether is it golf or watching sports or playing poker, Because she understands this, I only do it in moderation, because it is more important to have her in my life than poker.
The only issue I have been having is relating too people who do not play poker, most of my friends play poker, so when we met up we would end up talking about poker, Well we went to a Diner party and this guy knew nothing about poker and I knew him for a couple of years but after a while I felt if I could not explain my bad beat with AA on a PL NL game then what was I going to talk about. -
I understand your pain in terms of feeling old. I agree that most of these guys are no older than 22 (I'm 29). Hate to say you were graduating College when I was getting my driver's license...and these kids were getting their driver's license when I was graduating college, but that's besides the point (sorry man).
Conceptually speaking, if you worked a 12-hour/day job (real job) and were never home to be with your family (ie: doctor), you're getting divorced unless your relationship with your S.O. is iron-clad. Likewise, if you played poker 12-hours/day and never did anything with your S.O., same situation here too.
On the other foot, if your S.O. demands all your attention all the time, then you're not going to be able to work 12-hour workdays or play poker 12 hours/day. (In short, you can't do your job).
The S.O. has to understand that this is your job. You also have to understand that it can't always be about poker. She needs some time too. If she accepts you playing poker for a living, and you can keep time balanced between poker and him/her, then its smooth sailing (for the most part). -
It basically comes down to having a good balance in life no matter what you are doing. I used to just play all the time. I still play a lot, but I also find more time to work out, try and do things with my wife, hang out with friends, etc. It has helped my game more than I ever thought it would. It helps to put things in perspective once in a while.
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im fortunate enough to be a cold hearted sociopath. I'm more happy when im single. maybe someday I'll find myself a degen girlfriend
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fwiw im 23, which is older than 22
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the way it works for me is my girlfriend doesn't seem to get the whole plaing poker thing. I have to pick my spots very well as to when I can actually play. I work alot of nights and get the day time off and she is vice versa. so the only time I usually play is during the day while she is not here. I have tried playing while she is around in the house but I find myself playing much worse when she is talking to me about shit or trying to get me to spend time with her. So basically only when I got the house free for myself works for me where I can just relax and play a good tournament.
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fwiw, we did say most. You still make me feel old CMoney.
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i didnt read any of the post or the replies but tell her to stfu and go roll the dutch / make you some food.
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^ Been through all this.
Cmoney hit the nail on the head.
Do what makes you happy.
Life is all about balance.
If you are not spending any time with her and just ignoring her for poker every chance you get, then you are the problem. If she expects every min. of your free time and is jealous of your attention devoted to poker and not her, then she is the problem. Either way its a problem. Find someone who respects you and your love of poker (or someone you can bribe with some of your winnings if you're into the gold-digging type). -
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congrats! -
I was dumped from my first significant relationship a week before this Christmas (I'm 23 as well), and it stopped the biggest upswing of my poker career. I played too many cash games and above the bankroll and more or less played like I didn't want money anymore. I should be thankful that I only lost a third of my roll. Now that the holidays are over I've been feeling better and playing better and staying away from cash games.
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first you make da money, den you get da power, den you get da women. if youre an up and coming player and want to take poker seriously, i honestly think you have to give relationships the whole heave ho until youre comfortable with your own finances and can give your girlfriend/boyfriend the love and attention they deserve. anything less is a disaster waiting to happen
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Women are the rake!!!
but in all honesty look how much happier mike mcdermott was after his girlfriend left him. -
It's 10X harder being a MTT player than a cash player w/ a relationship.
My new gf loves poker and likes to play a lot (freerolls, micro stakes) and it's obviously really cool. The other day she had off work and I wanted to hang out w/ her but she didn't end up coming over until 1am cuz she was playing tournaments all day. I didn't really mind, but it was a little annoying cuz I didn't know what time she was coming over, if I should start something else, etc. It was good though cuz it makes you think about what other gfs probably were thinking on days I told them I was playing and we could 'hang out later' without any specific time.
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