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Poker is unbeatable, everyone knows ICM

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  1. AApoker AApoker is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:05pm)

     
  2. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:15pm) in reply to AApoker

    If everyone knew icm, ppl still wouldn't be phucking up in standard satellite situations.

    EDIT: and a lot of ppl know a lot of stuff about poker, doesn't mean they apply it right.
    Edited By: bef99hwk Aug 1st, 2010 at 08:16 PM
  3. Passiveplay Passiveplay is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:17pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    I doubt everyone even knows a flush beats a straight
     
  4. revieceD revieceD is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:20pm) in reply to AApoker

    3rd $1,872.88
    2nd $1,934.65
    Having control of the deal and getting them give you more than 1st place moniez, priceless!
  5. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:21pm) in reply to revieceD

    Oh thought this was actually a legit thread where everyone knows everything...Ops link didn't even work
  6. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:41pm) in reply to Passiveplay

     
    Originally Posted by Passiveplay View Post

    I doubt everyone even knows a flush beats a straight

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  7. dannyallen75 dannyallen75 is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 8:59pm) in reply to Pghfan987

    er,. please berate the idiot/ but what does ICM mean? chars
  8. Gforce786 Gforce786 is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:15pm) in reply to dannyallen75

    i suggest you play chess then.
  9. LVpokerdealer LVpokerdealer is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:17pm) in reply to Gforce786

    explain Gboro then
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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:21pm) in reply to LVpokerdealer

    gboro is an anomaly
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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:37pm) in reply to Dissident

    If you're talking about S&Gs then yes they are definitely tougher than they used to be, but they are still profitable for two reasons:
    - There are still places in the online poker world where certain S&Gs are softer than others.
    - New skills can emerge as a result of knowing that most players have good knowledge of ICM.

    I will not disclose any more information about these two points because I'm not interested in seeing more grinders in the S&Gs I play in, armed with the knowledge I'd give them. But just know that S&Gs are still beatable if you go to the right places and adapt your game correctly. And if you have a bit of patience, MTTs have always been, still are, and will always be profitable. Every year there is a new wave of 18-year old wannabe pros who have no clue and even though they may one day end up being good, they will spew in MTTs before they get better.
    Edited By: Mindthis Aug 1st, 2010 at 09:39 PM
     
  12. thedylan thedylan is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:51pm) in reply to Mindthis

    PD and sarcasm don't mix well
     
  13. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:57pm) in reply to thedylan

    i saw a guy check back the top fullhouse today on the river. his reasoning was he thought his opponent had a flush.
  14. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 10:05pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    i dunno icm guess im in trouble :0
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  15. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 10:08pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

     
    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    i dunno icm guess im in trouble :0

    Knowing how to do everything properly in poker is apparently overrated. Do what you do.
  16. DeLime DeLime is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 10:56am) in reply to Gettin Daize

     
    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    i dunno icm guess im in trouble :0

    I just decided I wasn't going to stress ICM so much anymore...
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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 1:25pm) in reply to dannyallen75

    To me all the knowledge in poker won't help you if you don't have control of your emotions, patience, discipline, focus, and fearlessness.

    I think some of the better players don't give themselves enough credit for having those five things nailed down.
  18. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 2:48pm) in reply to dannyallen75

    really all you need to know is to click the All In button. poker is def tougher now, but still, ez game.

    In all seriousness
     
    Originally Posted by dannyallen75 View Post

    er,. please berate the idiot/ but what does ICM mean? chars

    Independent Chip Modeling, its been covered to death so there's plenty of info out there. once you get the basics check out this article.

    http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...ng-icm-224769/
     
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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 4:11pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    i saw a guy check back the top fullhouse today on the river. his reasoning was he thought his opponent had a flush.


    yea I hate when I run my full house into a flush, prolly a good check! did the guy have the flush?
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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 8:51pm) in reply to thedylan

     
    Originally Posted by thedylan View Post

    PD and sarcasm don't mix well


    lol, this
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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 9:21pm) in reply to d7o1d1s0

    The only thing ICM is good for is telling you as 2nd in chips on bubble to fold hands like JJ, TT, AK, AQ, AJ in spots where you KNOW the chip leader is shoving ATC because the short stack with 5bb is about to bust. All so that you can watch the donk short stack who is more than happy to blind himself off, get lucky in the BB time after time until you finally end up being the bubble boy. Screw ICM.

    Edit: Before I get flamed I should clarify what I meant. ICM does not take into account the edge of having a bigger stack as it relates to being able to bully the shorter stacks. ICM also doesn't factor in time in terms of how long the bubble goes on for, so there comes a point where you WILL need to put your stack at risk (even if ICM says it's bad) if the big stack is going to continue to bully you and you know that it will end up going on too long. That is all.
    Edited By: RevG Aug 2nd, 2010 at 09:41 PM
  22. kasey_gcp kasey_gcp is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 9:45pm) in reply to RevG

    This thread is hilarious, a bunch of people tryin to showoff what they know about ICM etc and completely missing the point of this thread
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 12:55am) in reply to kasey_gcp

    i'm guessing there should be a link by OP that works so we know this is a sarcastic thread?
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 12:55am) in reply to RevG

    I think Jymaster is beating poker still.....
     
  25. smileyfaces smileyfaces is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 1:08am) in reply to Ugottook420

    limp min-raising is unbeatable, everyone knows ICM
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 2:39am) in reply to Gettin Daize

     
    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    i dunno icm guess im in trouble :0

    I'll offer you coaching for 10k an hour
     
  27. probrdr94 probrdr94 is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 4:18am) in reply to P33J

    Can no one else see that 1st place got more than 1st place was supposed to get if it was played out?
     
  28. apology7 apology7 is offline Cake Poker PLB Champ

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 8:24pm) in reply to probrdr94

    what is this ICM that you speak of?
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  29. kasey_gcp kasey_gcp is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 11:09pm) in reply to probrdr94

     
    Originally Posted by probrdr94 View Post

    Can no one else see that 1st place got more than 1st place was supposed to get if it was played out?

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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 3:11pm) in reply to kasey_gcp

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