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  1. I'm going to try not to get overly caught up in the details of what happened during the stake, the most important thing is obviously that the community knows about him so no one gets burned. I've been backing him since last Spring and he ended up fairly deep in makeup. On Friday he was deep in the 3:30 $50 FO on Full Tilt. I pulled him up to watch what he was doing. Across half of two different levels he made 3 clear mistakes, then ended up losing a couple of standard showdowns and busting. I was obviously upset at him punting off a stack deep but I hadn't been at the table watching that long and it was possible he had reasons for doing what he did. I tried to get into his accounts that night to see where they were sitting at, but he had changed his passwords.

    The next day, I told him I wanted to talk about the hands. He said several things, including a) All the hands were fine and/or standard b) I would've played all the hands the same c) he had had a fight and was distressed which is why the hands were played badly d) he didn't want to talk about the hands and if he didn't want to talk about them he shouldn't have to.

    If I want to get inside the thought process of someone who's playing on my money, they damn well better enlighten me. Throughout the entire stake he's acted like a petulant little child who thinks the world is owed to him. He expects me to just throw money at him and whenever I'm hesitant to because he's been a bit shady, hasn't followed instructions, has taken shots against my explicit instructions, and has lost money, he acts like I've somehow done him wrong and owe it to him to keep him in the games. He's constantly thrown tantrums and gotten defensive when I've said he misplayed hands and tried to tell him why, and in general made my more stressful with absolutely no returns.

    That behavior would be barely tolerable from someone who was winning, but from someone who had lost tens of thousands of dollars, I'd had more than enough. I was stupid to chase losses with someone who was probably barely +EV at best, but I finally smartened up the other day and told him to clear out his accounts. I came on today and he was playing with my money, including stuff well above the games he was staked for. He also sent me some fairly insulting messages and I have no doubt he had every intention to keep any winnings for himself and not pay my out despite playing on my money.

    Screen names:

    Pokerkyle on pokerstars

    KJS69/pokerpoker69 on Fulltilt

    tl;dr cliff notes

    Pain in the ass, not very good, thief. Do not stake, do not loan, do not talk to if you can help it.
  2. Why does he have 2 screennames on FTP?

    Were you staking him on both names?
  3. damn you for dropping him...now i'll never get my money for ftops events i threw him in at 80/20+makeup lol
  4. <span>He has played on the 2nd account (in someone else's name) in the past, he has not played on both accounts in the same tournament to my knowledge and certainly never did with my money. I'm not going to throw around the term MAing because he hasn't done that to get an edge, he just believes some accounts run worse than others and stupid stuff like that. If people want to crucify him for playing two accounts lord knows I won't be broken up about it, but I didn't say it to start a witchhunt, just so that he can't use his second account to solicit backing.

    Oh, in case he tried to play on other accounts, his real name is Kyle Stewart, from London, Ontario.</span>
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  5. I don't understand how you high stakes ballers manage to make staking deals with bad players.
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  6.  
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB View Post

    <span>He has played on the 2nd account (in someone else's name) in the past, he has not played on both accounts in the same tournament to my knowledge and certainly never did with my money. I'm not going to throw around the term MAing because he hasn't done that to get an edge, he just believes some accounts run worse than others and stupid stuff like that. If people want to crucify him for playing two accounts lord knows I won't be broken up about it, but I didn't say it to start a witchhunt, just so that he can't use his second account to solicit backing.

    Oh, in case he tried to play on other accounts, his real name is Kyle Stewart, from London, Ontario.</span>

    ur pretty dumb for knowingly backing him on two accounts... err very dumb

    oh and this is proven by your rationale and the fact that you posted it in a public forum.
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  7.  
    Originally Posted by bbbbb33 View Post

    ur pretty dumb for knowingly backing him on two accounts... err very dumb

    If he doesn't play under this acct anymore?
  8.  
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    I don't understand how you high stakes ballers manage to make staking deals with bad players.

    Cuz u can't read their soul and know what type of person they really are when they are given the chance to play with someone else's money?
  9.  
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    If he doesn't play under this acct anymore?

    I'm sorry but if someone "just believes some accounts run worse than others and stupid stuff like that" you are a moron to continue to financially invest in them.

    Not only because playing on two accounts is against the rules and you are directly supporting it, but because the individual clearly lacks the intelligence / logical mind required to be a successful poker player.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB View Post

    He's constantly thrown tantrums and gotten defensive when I've said he misplayed hands

    I've heard of things like this and I've never understood it in the slightest. If someone wanted to express their opinion on an alternate line in a hand why not listen to it? Even if you truly believe that your line is ideal, there is no harm (and in reality is probably a positive) in looking at it from an alternative route. Just baffles me. I know when someone starts telling me how they would have played it differently, I listen to it intently - regardless if I believe my play was correct or if I believe I'm a better player than the one offering their opinion.

    Pointless quasi-rant I know. Just baffles me. Sorry to hear about it going sour

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  11.  
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    I'm sorry but if someone "just believes some accounts run worse than others and stupid stuff like that" you are a moron to continue to financially invest in them.

    Not only because playing on two accounts is against the rules and you are directly supporting it, but because the individual clearly lacks the intelligence / logical mind required to be a successful poker player.

    You nailed it.
  12. So where is the theft?

    I had no money left in my accounts. I was playing on someone elses stake today. You Sent me money rarely and were probably the most demeaning person ive ever met.

    What was the point of this thread?....I didnt steal any money, I had an old account before I was of age then made one in my name. Whatever, Who cares, they were never in the same tournament together, im not a high stakes reg, so i wasnt gaining an advantage. It had to do with it being in my name.

    Wana hear something funny? ?Ben and I have NEVER met lol and hes "backed" me since last spring. He lives 5minutes away, yet we have never met. I always asked him to go over for him to help me and he always declined and was "too busy".

    Wouldnt you wana help someone in who your investing "10s of thousands" of dollars?

    We literally went over 2 hand histories since last spring, and both time he had like 10 tables up and I had to watch him spew and bust everything, while talking to 20 people on him, and him telling me "one sec" and"brb" ever 5minutes.

    This thread is hiarlious...I have done nothing wrong....
  13. Btw I had no money left in my accounts when you told me to clear them...but if you payed attention then maybe you would have known that, considering I sent you a text earlier asking to top me off. Today I deposited and I was staked in the 1.5milly on FTP and the million and stars. I didnt want to talk about a hand because I told you I was In a bad mood and we could deal with it later.

    And you, out of anyone, wants to talk about certain hands and certain lines? LOLOLOL
  14. Oh...And...the way he stopped talking to me was by blocking me on everything after I told him I didnt want to talk about hands at the moment. Very mature. We havent even talked about it at all, he just blocked and deleted me and left me hanging,then would come to my tables today I was staked in calling me a thief. You must be experiencing variance finally.
    edit: and why do you lie about my attitude making me sound like that. lol, why would I ever say "I dont want to talk about it, and If I dont want to, I dont have to"...that is a complete joke...now go rigg your aim convos.
  15. lol
  16. And remember....this is all because I did not want to talk about a hand at a certain and specific time he wanted to talk. I had just signed online, it was my DAY OFF. I think I have the right to do whatever I want on my day off. Truth is fun isnt it Ben? ;)
  17.  
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

    Hey ben, what about your 2nd name?

    Uh-oh...
  18. either post his second name or gtfo imo...
  19.  
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB View Post

    <SPAN class=Apple-style-span>He has played on the 2nd account (in someone else's name) in the past, he has not played on both accounts in the same tournament to my knowledge and certainly never did with my money. I'm not going to throw around the term MAing because he hasn't done that to get an edge, he just believes some accounts run worse than others and stupid stuff like that. If people want to crucify him for playing two accounts lord knows I won't be broken up about it, but I didn't say it to start a witchhunt, just so that he can't use his second account to solicit backing.

    Oh, in case he tried to play on other accounts, his real name is Kyle Stewart, from London, Ontario.</SPAN>

    You sent me money to both accounts Lol.

    Do you realize how big of a tool you are probably coming across as. This came out of nowhere. And this didnt happen the other day, it happened yesterday. The fucked up thing is on Friday night he invited me to come grind this sunday at his place. Clearly you've been spewing a lot, or are just in a hell of a mood, because this is joke and slander/lies. Should we go over some more of your personal details?
  20. Lol second name. Your rapid-fire posts come off as desperate as they are to try and turn the attention away from yourself. You had no money left in your accounts after you made the final three tables of a tournament the day before and then took a day off Saturday? Fascinating.

    EDIT

    I said you never played on both accounts at the same time under me. You did flip-flop back and forth between them because you thought your account was cursed and I facilitated it because I was chasing my losses like an idiot. The first time I told you I didn't like you doing it but I gave up trying to convince you that it was pointless because I didn't have the time and energy to argue with you over it and I wanted to make my money back.

    If you want to turn this into a battle of personal attacks, go right ahead, I'm armed to the teeth for that and you have absolutely nothing to say about me. So far I've tried my best to keep your personal life out of this thread because it's no one's business, but if you insist on going there I'll retaliate in kind.
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  21. hey ''pokerpro''
    why are your stats hidden on OPR? usually people are really good and dont want to be known....or they dont want people knowning they are degens
     
  22. ..and he removed his names from his P5s profile. Pretty much guilty of MA then.
  23. there is WAYYYY more to both sides of these stories. And I only believe a little of what each is spewing
  24.  
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB View Post

    Lol second name. Your rapid-fire posts come off as desperate as they are to try and turn the attention away from yourself. You had no money left in your accounts after you made the final three tables of a tournament the day before and then took a day off Saturday? Fascinating.

    Actually, after that tournament, I played a bit and lost it all because I open ship 50bbs like Its my job.

    And wait..so Im a thieft for like a hundo$$$???

    Dont be mad just because you are finally experiencing what its like to run normal.

    Your J2 isnt quite getting there anymore.
  25. Nice backtrack. I don't know how much you stole from me because you changed the password on your account.
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  26.  
    Originally Posted by ApesAreFun View Post

    ..and he removed his names from his P5s profile. Pretty much guilty of MA then.

    Are you joking? Do you even know what MA is?
    Its when 2 of the accounts are in the same tournament, which has never ever happened. And it has nothing to do it running better, it has to do with my account being under my own name so when security stuff comes up, I can prove who I am.

    I havent brought anything of your personal life in...Like your full name, city, and province. I never did that. And my scores have been hidden for a while fwiw.

    This thread didnt have to be made and it just shows what a little moody bitch you are.
  27.  
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB View Post

    Nice backtrack. I don't know how much you stole from me because you changed the password on your account.

    I havent changed my passwords in MONTHS. I just looked at recent IPS logged into my name, or attempts...and there are no attempts on ftp...so quit with the lies.

    This just goes to show how unorganized you were while doing this. You had no idea what you were doing and never helped me ever. So sad.
  28. pretty sure MAing is playing on more then 1 account and playing in 2 accounts in 1 tourney is just a worse version of MAing.
     
  29.  
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post

    pretty sure MAing is playing on more then 1 account and playing in 2 accounts in 1 tourney is just a worse version of MAing.

    For high stakes sure...But for low-mid stakes...not really.
  30.  
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post


    pretty sure MAing is playing on more then 1 account and playing in 2 accounts in 1 tourney is just a worse version of MAing.

    For high stakes sure...But for low-mid stakes...not really.

    That doesnt make any god damn sense.