Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

For high stakes sure...But for low-mid stakes...not really.

lololol

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

For high stakes sure...But for low-mid stakes...not really.

hmmm... details?

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

For high stakes sure...But for low-mid stakes...not really.

if u had any chance of not drowning, u just blew it

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

And remember....this is all because I did not want to talk about a hand at a certain and specific time he wanted to talk. I had just signed online, it was my DAY OFF. I think I have the right to do whatever I want on my day off.

Actually, you don't. The backer is the investor and you are the listener.

 

Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

Nice backtrack. I don't know how much you stole from me because you changed the password on your account.

There's no excuse to doing this. If it's a matter of protecting the account, the backer should be given the password immediately. A player opens himself up to scrutiny when the password is changed w/out knowledge to the backer. This is common sense.

 

Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk

Actually, you don't. The backer is the investor and you are the listener.

BravejayHawk this is the dumbest shit I've heard in my entire life. Certainly a staked player should listen to their backer but is the man not allowed to have a personal life ?
Once staked are you then owned by your backer subject to their demands on your time at any given moment ? If so Im glad Im not backed by you.

I know that in true pocketfives fashion pokerpoker69 will be crucified b/c a ranked player posted saying he stole from him/he multi accounted/he didn't do as told but he admitted to the Ma'ing and he has a valid point.

Ma'ing is less of an issue at the mid stakes than it is in the highstakes, no matter how you feel about it thats a true statement.Is it still cheating? Clearly the answer is yes. But is it the same crime as MA'ing at high stakes I really don't think so.

I know that b/c I'm defending any of this i'll probably get crucified too, Im sure someone will accuse me of Multi accounting, Im sure the fact that I suck at poker will be pointed out by someone and countless other affronts to me personally might be tossed out there.

Gl, everybody

Flame away.

Actually I blocked you before you got ranked when you were on acid every night and would trip out on AIM telling me stories of you doing mad drugs and how rich you are and how big your house is in Cali and blah blah blah your dad owns this company and blah blah. Remember when you had like 5 names on fulltilt and pokerstars? Remember when you wore sleeveless shirt with sunglasses,,,,ohhh but man u da mild alteRa!

but anyways I did the math, and with what I deposited and with what I had left over from his $ in my accnts(which he wanted back), it was less than 85$ that was his. Oh noess I "stole" 85$!!!.
And my makeup was nothing close to "10s of thousands" and id appreciate if you were mature and just talked to me on the phone or over msn,,,,,oh wait you blocked me and dont answer my texts. I guess I wont message you 8 hours into a tourny anymore so you can watch 5 minutes then critique me and drop me after some meh hands that I couldnt really talk/want to talk about it @ the time.

and lol at being a terible horse. All horses do is play. Backers do a lot more, aka he dissapearing for weeks sometimes so I wouldnt be able to play for long amounts of times...him never sending me messages of why I wasnt topped off or reasoning. When my schdule is everyday and I request a top off here and there, Its pretty standard to be on time and to care. P.s You have watched me maybe 5 times or less and I fucking remmeber when I made my first FT since he started backing me and he messaged me back saying "MAN I cant watch you right now im too tilted"...mmm odd?? and you said I was playing solid aggressive poker the past month which is why ive profited and send you thousands back. Funny how things change tho.

Im not trying to be an ass or anything, well minus to rock, but I honestly did not do anything wrong, and I will send NSB the difference back of what was still in the accnt and kept/what was profited and deposited today.

/thread

Cliffnotes
- OP claims he backed someone who turned out to be a thief, and is surprised someone he knew was an MAer and who thinks he runs bad due to not having a blessed FTP account would rob him, sick read.

- Horse chimes in saying how butt hurt he is that OP didn't invite him over during their staking arrangement and says "What was the point of this thread?....I didnt steal any money" and claims he was not MAing, he merely has multiple accounts but hasn't used them at the same time, displaying his clearly flawless logic.

- Horse who has been outed for having two accounts hints OP has two accounts as well, and also claims OP backed him with knowledge he was playing under two accounts. So if you had any doubt as to what these two had in common, it was quite obvious a lack of respect towards the rules was a bonding moment for the two.

- OP totally withdraws any doubt he has a second name by posting such crucial evidence to the contrary with "Lol second name", clearly no reason to wonder anymore, thanks for clearing that up, top ranked player on P5s probably has 2 accounts? *yawn*

- OP ironically takes a stab at Horses backtracking skills after avoiding "2nd account" claim (smartest thing OP did so far). Last post by the OP fwiw

- Horse remembers he does owe OP money and claims he is still not a thief because it was only "hundo$$$". Again folks, some more broken logic at it's finest.

- Horse claims he will send what is owed back to OP and takes a shot at rock3656 because he use to be an unranked acid head loser and mentions his multiple account theories as well. Is there like a "I have 2+ accounts on FTP" group on facebook or something, how yall know eachother?

- PD waits with popcorn in anticipation of OP coming back to thread and

a) admitting this whole thing is over $85

b) admitting to having multiple account

c) claiming he is owed much more than $85 and cont. to cry "thief"

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

Actually I blocked you before you got ranked when you were on acid every night and would trip out on AIM telling me stories of you doing mad drugs and how rich you are and how big your house is in Cali and blah blah blah your dad owns this company and blah blah. Remember when you had like 5 names on fulltilt and pokerstars? Remember when you wore sleeveless shirt with sunglasses,,,,ohhh but man u da mild alteRa!

but anyways I did the math, and with what I deposited and with what I had left over from his $ in my accnts(which he wanted back), it was less than 85$ that was his. Oh noess I "stole" 85$!!!.
And my makeup was nothing close to "10s of thousands" and id appreciate if you were mature and just talked to me on the phone or over msn,,,,,oh wait you blocked me and dont answer my texts. I guess I wont message you 8 hours into a tourny anymore so you can watch 5 minutes then critique me and drop me after some meh hands that I couldnt really talk/want to talk about it @ the time.

and lol at being a terible horse. All horses do is play. Backers do a lot more, aka he dissapearing for weeks sometimes so I wouldnt be able to play for long amounts of times...him never sending me messages of why I wasnt topped off or reasoning. When my schdule is everyday and I request a top off here and there, Its pretty standard to be on time and to care. P.s You have watched me maybe 5 times or less and I fucking remmeber when I made my first FT since he started backing me and he messaged me back saying "MAN I cant watch you right now im too tilted"...mmm odd?? and you said I was playing solid aggressive poker the past month which is why ive profited and send you thousands back. Funny how things change tho.

Im not trying to be an ass or anything, well minus to rock, but I honestly did not do anything wrong, and I will send NSB the difference back of what was still in the accnt and kept/what was profited and deposited today.

/thread

lollll at any of this being true ur a lunatic jus blabbing out random bull shit about people who are respected in poker lolll keep burying your own hole

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

Are you joking? Do you even know what MA is?
Its when 2 of the accounts are in the same tournament, which has never ever happened. And it has nothing to do it running better, it has to do with my account being under my own name so when security stuff comes up, I can prove who I am.

LOL ....WOW. just...WOW!
so when the security stuff comes up on the 'other' account, who proves it aint you?

*edit* for future reference kid...
The definition of multi-account = more than 1 account

dont rly kno why someone would make that up rock..seems pretty elaborate..carry on tho

^^^ ding ding ding, the average low to mid stakes player reading these threads daily on P5s really makes me reconsider how much cheating, MAing, etc goes on. It always comes out when backer/horse relationships go bad.

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

Ben and I have NEVER met lol and hes "backed" me since last spring. He lives 5minutes away, yet we have never met.

Am I the only one that finds this extremely odd?

 

Originally Posted by SpankyHamm

Just a couple of random observations:

1. Every backer who complains about someone ripping them off seems to have some skeletons in their own closets.

2. Some backers seem to be really bad businessmen.

3. Apparently having multiple accounts is fairly common at the higher levels (at least more common than those outside of the high stakes community seem to realize).

4. The more shady stories we see with backing arrangements going bad - the more likely it will be that the sites will do something drastic like limit or eliminate transfers. If/when they get unlimited access to the US markets, there will have to be extensive improvements in their security measures.

Will respond to Spanky's on my experience with backing both small and midstakes players..

Disagree with #1, (especially the word "Every") integrity is important to me.. Also speak with other backers whom I feel are the same.. I do agree there are some that are shady, but not every backer or even the majority of them that would out someone would have any major skeletons..

Agree with #2. As the business side of it, profit is just one of the components to work for when staking someone. Trust is equally important. Keeping records is important. Understanding both the advice side and business side are important.

Hope #3 isn't as bad as you are making it out to be, but have no way of knowing.. The one time I did have a horse that told me he had 2 accounts on FTP, I asked him to write to FTP support to come clean and he did.. I do not need my account associated with people that choose to break the Terms of a site. If you want multiple names, play on Cake (i.e. can change your name frequently) and not on my money. I think most backers would not want to back players that accounts could be frozen and are potentially doing something detrimental to the poker community on a whole.

Agree with #4. Opponents of what we want to be as free as possible look for ways to exploit what is happening.

so whats neverscaredbs 2nd account name?