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Play twice the stakes knowing you have to split winning, plus make up...or play half the stakes without a backer knowing you keep it all (but obv can go broke)?...
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wow this is so intriguing. such philosophy.
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I play backed...so far I've made tons more money.
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I would play whatever stakes the backer wanted me to play...
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Prob twice. Though 100% make-up has always seemed weird to me, then again I've never I've been backed. I know it's normal but it seems like you can get yourself in a big hole and basically be playing for a long time to just unstuck your backer (but I know, you get to play at the same stakes instead of having to move down). So, I still choose twice.
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ive been recently thinking bout trying to look bout getting backed but im not sure i would want to
currently im making pretty good money considering i started with 50 bucks back in november after redepositing when i was bored in school (withdrew everything before that)
it does get stressful when your on a huge downswing but im not sure id even wanna play backed, though it would be exciting to play more than one sunday major a week with no problem -
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Cue threeven with a solid explanation that we can all understand.
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POKER IS A GRIND either fucking way, i dont know anyone would wanna play backed, if your good,just man up, build a roll, and you never have to pay anyone anything. people who get backed and find themselves having to ship a sunday major to get out of makeup blow my mind, id rather grind 10$ 45mans then be 50k in makeup. but what do i know.
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i was backed bc i for a while bc im dumb and didnt manage my bankroll well (and tilted alot obv), and i didnt like it bc givin up half really sucks downers feel worse and upper half as good. On ur own dime the downs do really suck but the uppers are way up so i think it balances alot better for me on my own money.
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need to be more social I would say. Get in good with a group of players who use AIM, yahoo, or skype messenger and just shoot the shit. The more people you know the better IMO. Your scores in MTT's are pretty sweet though....
Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom
i wonder how i cant get backed but others in threads like this can.
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yeah, you dont know shit.
Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
POKER IS A GRIND either fucking way, i dont know anyone would wanna play backed, if your good,just man up, build a roll, and you never have to pay anyone anything. people who get backed and find themselves having to ship a sunday major to get out of makeup blow my mind, id rather grind 10$ 45mans then be 50k in makeup. but what do i know.
backing on the live stage i feel is a little different situation... -
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Plz explain, makes plenty of sense to me. i know numerous people who have been backed for years by legit players and have never been out of the hole. so explain to me why backing is so GREAT?Originally Posted by Raysfeve
yeah, you dont know shit.Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
POKER IS A GRIND either fucking way, i dont know anyone would wanna play backed, if your good,just man up, build a roll, and you never have to pay anyone anything. people who get backed and find themselves having to ship a sunday major to get out of makeup blow my mind, id rather grind 10$ 45mans then be 50k in makeup. but what do i know.
backing on the live stage i feel is a little different situation... -
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I would rather be backed because I gotta pay for school and it would be a big help lol. But I could see arguements for either or. But for the sense of the survey I say backed regardless of level.
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I never understood (likely out of ignorance, so please enlighten) anyone would want a backing deal where they're paying it all back.
Some different situations:
A. If I were to play 10k worth of poker on my own money, and lose it all, I've lost 10k.
B. If I play 10k worth of poker being backed, I've lost 10k, and have to pay it all back.
A and B both have me spending 10k of my own money whether immediately, or over time.
Now, in the situations above, if I were to actually make money, then I get to keep it all when I win on my own, but give away half plus the buy in when I'm backed.
To me, since you're paying a backer back anyways, I don't think there's much reason to get involved. The only advantage is that they front you for bigger buy ins ahead of time. But, if you're already winning at your buy in, it's pointless. You're paying back all the money you lose, and giving away half your winnings. -
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enlightment for jackaaron
u sir, are misunderstanding how backing worse...
If you are backed, you never have to spend a dime out of your own pocket...
Yes, if you accrue 10k in makeup, you will owe 10k in makeup, but only through continuing to be backed by that person. You will only have to pay back that 10k out of your profits of future tourneys... so yeah u could get a 10k score the next day and not put any money in your actual bank account because it will all go to ur backer, but the point is, you never have to risk your own money to payback makeup.
Theoretically you could be down $1 million in makeup, and u still will not lose money out of your own pocket... But every $ of profit you get in future tournaments while still being backed by said backer, will go straight to the backer and none will go to you until you've paid off the backer -
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its not payback...its makeup....there is a difference. In standard deals, its makeup, plus 50% of the profit. the difference between payback and makeup is....if you lose 10k playing (for example) you dont pay it back if you never win again....its on the backer. Make up is assuming that you eventually bink some tourneys and makeup comes out of the winnings. If you have a payback deal (which is not smart imo) then you pay it back regardless....more like a loan than a backing deal that way...Originally Posted by jackaaron
I never understood (likely out of ignorance, so please enlighten) anyone would want a backing deal where they're paying it all back.
Some different situations:
A. If I were to play 10k worth of poker on my own money, and lose it all, I've lost 10k.
B. If I play 10k worth of poker being backed, I've lost 10k, and have to pay it all back.
A and B both have me spending 10k of my own money whether immediately, or over time.
Now, in the situations above, if I were to actually make money, then I get to keep it all when I win on my own, but give away half plus the buy in when I'm backed.
To me, since you're paying a backer back anyways, I don't think there's much reason to get involved. The only advantage is that they front you for bigger buy ins ahead of time. But, if you're already winning at your buy in, it's pointless. You're paying back all the money you lose, and giving away half your winnings. -
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he prob explained it better than i did but thats what i meanOriginally Posted by K1d_Gr1nD
its not payback...its makeup....there is a difference. In standard deals, its makeup, plus 50% of the profit. the difference between payback and makeup is....if you lose 10k playing (for example) you dont pay it back if you never win again....its on the backer. Make up is assuming that you eventually bink some tourneys and makeup comes out of the winnings. If you have a payback deal (which is not smart imo) then you pay it back regardless....more like a loan than a backing deal that way...Originally Posted by jackaaron
I never understood (likely out of ignorance, so please enlighten) anyone would want a backing deal where they're paying it all back.
Some different situations:
A. If I were to play 10k worth of poker on my own money, and lose it all, I've lost 10k.
B. If I play 10k worth of poker being backed, I've lost 10k, and have to pay it all back.
A and B both have me spending 10k of my own money whether immediately, or over time.
Now, in the situations above, if I were to actually make money, then I get to keep it all when I win on my own, but give away half plus the buy in when I'm backed.
To me, since you're paying a backer back anyways, I don't think there's much reason to get involved. The only advantage is that they front you for bigger buy ins ahead of time. But, if you're already winning at your buy in, it's pointless. You're paying back all the money you lose, and giving away half your winnings. -
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wp, thx.Originally Posted by AAR1388
enlightment for jackaaron
u sir, are misunderstanding how backing worse...
If you are backed, you never have to spend a dime out of your own pocket...
Yes, if you accrue 10k in makeup, you will owe 10k in makeup, but only through continuing to be backed by that person. You will only have to pay back that 10k out of your profits of future tourneys... so yeah u could get a 10k score the next day and not put any money in your actual bank account because it will all go to ur backer, but the point is, you never have to risk your own money to payback makeup.
Theoretically you could be down $1 million in makeup, and u still will not lose money out of your own pocket... But every $ of profit you get in future tournaments while still being backed by said backer, will go straight to the backer and none will go to you until you've paid off the backer -
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i would gladly play backed... if anybody wants to back me go right ahead! the swings and variance in mtt is truly one of the more frustrating things in life... with that said, anybody want to back me?
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It allows a player to play higher than if he was playing on his own money. WHen you are being backed you dont have pressure of losing money. As far as I know you can quit a backer at any point. Makeup does blow. But if you are any good at all, it shouldnt be a problem. Most players being backed are trying to at some point play the higher level buyins on their own money. Getting backed is a great way to build a bankroll with 0% risk.
Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
Plz explain, makes plenty of sense to me. i know numerous people who have been backed for years by legit players and have never been out of the hole. so explain to me why backing is so GREAT?Originally Posted by Raysfeve
yeah, you dont know shit.Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
POKER IS A GRIND either fucking way, i dont know anyone would wanna play backed, if your good,just man up, build a roll, and you never have to pay anyone anything. people who get backed and find themselves having to ship a sunday major to get out of makeup blow my mind, id rather grind 10$ 45mans then be 50k in makeup. but what do i know.
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obv u have to take into consideration of stealing/cheating/earning that extra $ by gettin backed..since thats the new wave of the future. no one should be backed..everyone grow a sack and play ur own money and there would be slightly less shit going on.
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WORD. i do agree with what you said, being backed is a great way to build a roll with 0% risk. But at the same time i feel you become desensitized to what the actual grind is all about. the players i know who are staked are legit players with sick results, but have spent most of there time in makeup bc when they hit scores they have to cash out there small profit to survive(aka food/bills etc).i know not every person who is backed goes through this obviously, but i just know from what ive seen i would much rather build my own roll over time then try to bink a score with someone elses money. ITs a long hard road but when you get to where you have wanted to be for so long, it has to be so much more rewarding then binking on stake. Basically im rambling but im just saying i feel in the long run you learn SOOOO MUCH more from building/grinding/usuing correct BR managment etc. out of building you own bankroll then you do from a stake. gl everyone.Originally Posted by Raysfeve
It allows a player to play higher than if he was playing on his own money. WHen you are being backed you dont have pressure of losing money. As far as I know you can quit a backer at any point. Makeup does blow. But if you are any good at all, it shouldnt be a problem. Most players being backed are trying to at some point play the higher level buyins on their own money. Getting backed is a great way to build a bankroll with 0% risk.Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
Plz explain, makes plenty of sense to me. i know numerous people who have been backed for years by legit players and have never been out of the hole. so explain to me why backing is so GREAT?Originally Posted by Raysfeve
yeah, you dont know shit.Originally Posted by PizzityPizzwnd
POKER IS A GRIND either fucking way, i dont know anyone would wanna play backed, if your good,just man up, build a roll, and you never have to pay anyone anything. people who get backed and find themselves having to ship a sunday major to get out of makeup blow my mind, id rather grind 10$ 45mans then be 50k in makeup. but what do i know.
backing on the live stage i feel is a little different situation...
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